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Old 05-07-2003, 03:37 PM   #29
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sure would be nice if Casita or Scamp or Bigfoot, read this and thought well, lets be the first. and made an ultra light 16/17 foot. :wub and all they changed would be the frames and such. (sigh)
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Old 05-07-2003, 04:11 PM   #30
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One reason they don't is the cost, however nominal. It's been noted on this site how many of the egg (and stick-built) manufacturers have come and gone over the years. It's a cut-throat business. Casita and Scamp have successfully carved a nitch, but its a tenuous hold. I agree that there would be a pay-off, but is Scamp (a not-too-forward-thinking company) going to take a gamble and tool up for a major rework of the frame manufacturing process? It would be a great risk. It would probably pay off, but it's a risk. Also, Americans tend to value an item based on it's size. The bigger it is, the more it's worth. Eggs are small, and therefore have a value limit in the eyes of most of the public. Anything that drives up the price drives away potential customers.

However, an engineered aluminum or high-tech frame carrying a spun polyester floor deck and fiberglass shell would shave a couple hundred pounds off each trailer, which would increase the potential market size to include car owners. Or hey -- how about replacing the fiberglass with Kevlar and the frame with magnesium? Save a couple hundred pounds more, while only tripling the cost!
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Old 05-07-2003, 04:21 PM   #31
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I thought of that too about what, 'we American' value or think is worth the money, and weight happens to be one of them I fear.

SO, maybe we could just import a bunch of these light weight German frames, and change out our own. :) (dream on )

But you never know. once an Idea gets in the air, it could take hold and happen. :yep. (optimism in overdrive)
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Old 05-07-2003, 04:32 PM   #32
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I personally think that the way to change it would be for a successful, financially stable Euro manufacturer to set up dealerships in the US and start selling them. If they have lower weight and better visual appeal, they will slowly build a reputation (slowly being the reason for the financially stable part) as the trailer to buy. If Americans knew and could actually see what is available elsewhere, we'd want it. Competition is good for business, and Scamp and Casita would have to come to attention and get busy.

The same applies to cars. Unfortunately, with cars, the European and Oriental car companies have catered to the Americans instead of training us. They build sensible cars at home, and ship Americanized cars here. Look at the evolution of the Honda Accord as an example. It started as a sub-compact and is now nearly full-size. In Japan, they sell 2 and 3 cylinder micro-compacts
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Old 05-07-2003, 07:13 PM   #33
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A few years back I contacted Hymer about purchasing a Puck. My take on their response was they didn't want to deal with American rules and regulations. (Their concept of vehicle registration and mine were vastly different.) When I told them non-motorized vehicles were not federally regulated, they were horrified by having to consider requirements for 50 different states. I told them that wasn't necessary. But I think they were dealing with their own paradigm that said that they would have to modify or manufacture 50 different versions of a trailer to be successful in the United States. They were not getting that a trailer sold in one state could be moved to another state without being factory retrofitted when it crossed the boundary of each state. I kept telling them that their concept was wrong. The chasm of disbelief echoed from across the ocean.

I was referred with a smirk to a Hymer dealer to see if he/she would be interested in the project. That dealer never responded to my communications. Maybe now that they are in a Euro world they have a broader concept of cross boundary product migration.
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Old 05-08-2003, 11:15 AM   #34
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Japanese Microcars

<<In Japan, they sell 2 and 3 cylinder micro-compacts>>

This is slightly OT, but over the last forty years the Japanese have perfected the art of making 'Kei' class cars (650 cc engines) for the domestic market. These are fun little cars for urban use mostly, sometimes targeted exclusively at women with feminine color choices available. Some examples (Daihatsu Mira/660cc -- DOHC EFI/ABS is available).

<img src=http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/uploads/3eba818d62aabMira.jpg/>

<img src=http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/uploads/3eba819798b26Mira2.jpg/>

The Mira based convertible, Daihatsu Copen (Stuart Little comes to mind)

<img src=http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/uploads/3eba81cb90228copen.jpg/>

<img src=http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/uploads/3eba81d370981copenback.jpg/>

<img src=http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/uploads/3eba81db1199ecopenhardtop.jpg/>
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Old 05-08-2003, 11:26 AM   #35
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Benita,

It's a shame what your experience was with HYMER and their dealer.

Maybe used caravans (Biods?) imported personally by ones and twos will change things. But who will take the first risky step? And what are the risks if any?

I can think of only the electricity conversion and interfacing parts (European propane/water/electricity connections) that needs to be swapped out.

I saw a linked page on the Eriba Puck some threads ago. Wonder if those puck(s) were converted to US connection standards and paradigms.

I don't know enough but I'm reading everyday :)

Meanwhile LEX and other kindly souls who have caravanned in Europe may share their valuable insights....especially on the Hardware side. But on a separate thread of course.
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Old 05-19-2003, 03:56 PM   #36
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Are these lighter frames available in the US? I would certainly consider upgrading my rusty 30 year old frame.
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Old 05-19-2003, 07:18 PM   #37
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Euro style light frames

Not to my knowledge separately as a frame.

The Euro frames are made by Al-Ko in Germany.

The only thing close enough I've found is in the frame for an AWARD RV, which is a stick-built, albeit a quite unique one.

Look in the 'Products' page and scroll down to the heading for 'lightweight'

http://www.awardrv.com/AWARDRV.htm
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Old 05-21-2003, 08:36 AM   #38
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Quote:
Orginally posted by Maggie O.

* * * * * * Are these lighter frames available in the US? I would certainly consider upgrading my rusty 30 year old frame.
maybe one of us who speaks German (not me for sure) could contact this Al-Ko and get a price with shipping. I wouldn't mind one of those light frames either. :)
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Interesting statement they make at Award **the Award has emerged as the industry leader in "towability". ** wonder if they looked at the fiberglass eggs before they said that? Probably not.:) but then again if the frame is all that good - and egg with that frame on it would be supreme in towability. (dreaming again)
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The Award really is a wonderful design. It's not without flaws -- the fiberglass roof has a seam at the top, and again were it meets the walls, and I'm told they've had some leakage trouble. That aside, though, the design is wonderful, especially for a relatively "large" trailer. The design is light enough that they recommend up to their 23' model for towing with my S15 Jimmy, and even the 27' model falls within the rated "limits" for my vehicle. Fit and finish on an Award is fabulous. And, I understand that they tow extraordinarily well. Well thought-out air-flow and weight distribution.
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