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Old 07-17-2011, 07:16 AM   #29
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This is getting really interesting.
I am going to add a picture of the frame over the axle to compare to the picture that Barrie posted. What I think is more interesting than the fact that our original frames are set up completely different is that Barrie's trill has a completely different FG lower section than my Trill! His underside roughly follows the slope of the frame where it is offset at the axle and mine finishes square for the two parts of the frame to snug up into.
the tubing on our trill is 3"(h) x 2" (w) all around.
(our trailer was made in Dec. 1974 [CMVSS sticker on the front])

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Old 07-17-2011, 07:20 AM   #30
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It's unlikely the fiberglass bodies were modified after the molds were made. Mine may appear higher and that's typical of the switchover to spring axles. If the later frames are all welded, and the early ones were single piece formed rails, it's possible the rail forming had been contracted out initially. Switching from formed to welded frames may have been done to move more production 'in house' to both save money and have more production timing control; just speculating though.

Update... As this reply was posted I see that Kevin had posted a picture between the time I started and finished my post. It appears they may have modified the lower mold to match the frame changes.

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Old 07-17-2011, 09:49 AM   #31
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This is getting really interesting.
I am going to add a picture of the frame over the axle to compare to the picture that Barrie posted. What I think is more interesting than the fact that our original frames are set up completely different is that Barrie's trill has a completely different FG lower section than my Trill! His underside roughly follows the slope of the frame where it is offset at the axle and mine finishes square for the two parts of the frame to snug up into.
the tubing on our trill is 3"(h) x 2" (w) all around.
(our trailer was made in Dec. 1974 [CMVSS sticker on the front])

Kev
This is exactlly like the (2) 1976's that I have are made...I've got the body off one of mine that I'm redoing I'll post a picture of it when I get a chance............
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Old 07-17-2011, 12:03 PM   #32
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It occurs to me that there were some changes going on in the early '70's-
There was a general recall of the 1300 that affected Model years 1973 through 1976.
Apparently the frame was giving trouble- details at Road Safety Recalls Database
Could we be looking at various solutions/mods related to that?

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Old 07-17-2011, 01:19 PM   #33
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It occurs to me that there were some changes going on in the early '70's-
There was a general recall of the 1300 that affected Model years 1973 through 1976.
Apparently the frame was giving trouble- details at Road Safety Recalls Database
Could we be looking at various solutions/mods related to that?

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I don't think so Francesca,
the weak point that is the subject of that recall (and I encourage everyone with an older trill to keep an eye on it) is where the front of the frame bends between the propane tanks and the trailer. the frame is bent in two places very close to each other and close to where the front of the trailer bears down on the frame. My understanding is that the bends create a weakpoint where the metal is stretched and distorted and now has a kinked shape. the way they were jigged each bend has a significant indent on the inside of the radius that weakens the overall rigidity of the square tube. It doesn't help that one of the bolt holes that hold the trill to the frame is right here as well.

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Old 07-17-2011, 01:44 PM   #34
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Hi, Kev

Barrie's frame is so different, I'm wondering if it's possible that somebody w-a-a-a-y "overcured" the problem as far as his particular trailer is concerned. In its recall notice, Trillium recommended welded-on gussets on either side of the arms, and I don't see anything like that on his trailer.
Or yours!
I can't quite tell from your picture (below)- is that a reinforcing plate atop the arm?
Could that be another "preventive" attempt to solve the same problem?

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Old 07-17-2011, 01:50 PM   #35
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No, my frame is still original.
I took that picture to show the deep divet in the metal from the way it was bent at the factory.
the skinny band is a tie wrap that holds the cable for the trailer lights.
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Old 07-17-2011, 02:13 PM   #36
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It occurs to me that there were some changes going on in the early '70's-
There was a general recall of the 1300 that affected Model years 1973 through 1976.
Apparently the frame was giving trouble- details at Road Safety Recalls Database
Could we be looking at various solutions/mods related to that?

Francesca
Great work Francesca! How on earth did you find out about a 31 year old recall? Since my '72 is not included in the recall I can only speculate Trillium made a frame change in '73 that came back to bite them. I'm glad to have missed that party.
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Old 07-17-2011, 02:22 PM   #37
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No, my frame is still original.
I took that picture to show the deep divet in the metal from the way it was bent at the factory.
the skinny band is a tie wrap that holds the cable for the trailer lights.

If I were you, I'd get me to a welder...
The problem as defined by Trillium is weakness at that point caused by heat treatment of the steel. That's pretty much invisible to the eye, though a welder's x-ray might reveal it.
The fix they recommended is meant as a preventive measure, and not a cure after the frame starts to bend- or, worse, after a crack opens up.
There are some who feel that "any trailer that's going to fail would have done so by now". I disagree with that mindset. As buyers of used trailers, we can't know their histories. Perhaps the most critical unknown in this case is how much time that weak point has spent subjected to the stresses of towing.
Those four gusset plates would sure eliminate the need to worry about this potentially disastrous failure.

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Old 07-17-2011, 02:56 PM   #38
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I'm working on the 1300 frame now and someone in the past scabbed a piece of metal right where the problem you are talking about is located, and as I was inspecting the previous workmenship it is obvious that at some point it failed at this location you can see the previous break in the frame..Who ever it was that tried to repair it done one CRAPPY job..Here's a shot....One is of the design of my trailer with the square tubes even though I have it upside down..My other campers have a piece of 1/4 flat steel about 16" long pointed on each end and there is one welded on the inside and outside of the frame on both sides (4) pieces total
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Old 07-17-2011, 03:07 PM   #39
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My other campers have a piece of 1/4 flat steel about 16" long pointed on each end and there is one welded on the inside and outside of the frame on both sides (4) pieces total
Hi, Randy

Sounds like your other trailers have the exact preventive fix originally recommended by Trillium.
But the one above has the repair of an actual failure- what a mess!
Did both sides fail, or just one?
Can't tell from the pics.

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Old 07-17-2011, 03:49 PM   #40
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Hi, Randy

Sounds like your other trailers have the exact preventive fix originally recommended by Trillium.
But the one above has the repair of an actual failure- what a mess!
Did both sides fail, or just one?
Can't tell from the pics.

Francesca

Both sides that might be the reason this one had been painted because there was some damage around the front nothing major looked like a few small holes that had be repaired..Been grinding my butt off trying to remove this bunch of crap and redo it properly..

The guy that usually does my welding was found dead at his shop Wed. night after he failed to come home for supper, his wife went to check on him and found him..He was 58 years old died from a heart attact they said.....He will be truelly missed he worked in that shop 7 days a week and could be seen welding well after dark, his shop was right next to the high school and 4 blocks from his house..Thing about it was no one found him til really late that night and I usually stop by to talk to him about 3 times a week just to shoot the crap.... I was going to go by that very evening but didn't get through removing the body from the frame that evening..if I had I might had found him in time to help who knows..Really sad story don't know what the farmers will do he fixed everything you could think of had ton of machines in his shop including a metal lathe and all..... if he couldn't fix it he would build you a new part.
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Oh, Randy-
What sad news.
It sounds like he was a good friend.

My heart goes out to everyone concerned.


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So sorry for your and everyone's loss.

Don't beat yourself up Randy. You'd pretty much had to have been there when it happened, and even then the odds weren't good.
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