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Old 06-07-2012, 05:26 AM   #43
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Gorgeous cat. Is it going camping too?

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Old 06-10-2012, 08:08 PM   #44
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I know excatly what your saying. i want to get it just right and seems like i will be able to do that no problem. Thank you very much. by the way nice kitty. i have three so i know what you mean by always being surpervised LOL. keep the reno pics coming.
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:07 PM   #45
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In my part of the woods a many animals would consider him a tasty snack. I think he would be much safer at home.

In the next week or so I should have my door story ready, but I have been doing some painting, a little wiring and of course fighting with the door.

When the rain lets up I will put some photos of some wiring and MacGyvering I have been doing. heres the batteries I went with two 6 volt chained paired together.

The rest of the photos are of painting and other little things I have been doing

Getting a little bit closer every day amd more to come.

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Old 06-13-2012, 03:54 AM   #46
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The photos from the last post showed two costs of red enamel. Now I have sanded them with emery clothe and repainted them. I will sand them a couple more time between coats before I add the final coat. Red takes a lot of paint before it covers.

In one of the photos you can see how the cupboard doors will be finished

I put a drawer between the cooler and the stove. To suspend the hardware for the drawer I bolted the hardware frame to the bottom of the stove and to one of the 1 in plywood supports I epoxied in. The stove top I sanded to metal and sprayed with High temperature engine paint.

the front and back dinette tables are in the process of being refinished

The sink shows the bolts I chemically welded to the doggy dish sink, to hold it down when I install it The stove and drawer will be installed before the cupboards are installed in the trailer. Because I am building the cooler in permanent I am think of tabbing in the bottom cupboard (less holes in the shell)

I have also cut in the holes for the light switches, including the cooler light. I got these little switches at the RV Superstore. I think they will work great. Especially the Chandelier.....

Yep more pretty shiny things. I am putting a chandelier over the back dinette table. I used a neat trick to get the wire to it. I taped the wires to a straightened cloths hanger and slid it along between the ensolite and the fibreglass shell. I went from the FF across the middle of the roof.

I will hide the wires under the cover of the FF and then in the seam of the ensolight and caulk over them and paint until I reach the upper cupboard then straight down hidden behind the backsplash. the backsplash will match the cupboard doors.

The entire system will only be DC so the wiring is simpler. I bought the batteries from a electrician and I am taking his advise and wiring the FF separately to the batteries using higher gage wire and the lights will be on a separate line. I will also have an inline fuse within a couple inches from the batteries terminal so nothing gets accidentally welded.

more pretty shiny things to come


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Old 06-14-2012, 08:00 PM   #47
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Hey hue.

About your wiring could you please give me the specs on the batteries. and also would be great to see some pictures on the wiring as i would like to wire in DC voltage. Whats your strategy on attaching the cupboards and cabinets. i was thinking of using a urethane glue, i got the idea from another thread on here.
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Old 06-14-2012, 09:20 PM   #48
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Like I mentioned earlier I have been working on a number of different things that needed fixing but not really finishing anything yet. Because of my limited skill I have to do it this way partly to insure I do not back myself in a corner, as many fixes do not appear until two parts start coming together. A lot of dry fitting.

Anyway I was rereading the work and comments that Jack did in regard to straightening the fibreglass cabinets.

The cabinets especially the one that the sink and stove drop into in my Boler were getting pretty warped. They had the original 1 in plywood fibreglassed to the cabinet to provide support. While the fibreglass was still holding strong ( it took some doing to get it off) the actual 1 in plywood had warped quite a bit. I hope you can see an example in the photos.

So I had to cut them off of the cabnet and reglue new ones using fibreglass epoxy. The result I think was well worth the effort as all the sagging disappeared. It was clear that it was the old plywood that was holding the cabinet in a warped configuration.

Maybe not a fix for everyone, butr if you have the cabinets out of the trailer already ...
Where did you get the fiberglass epoxy glue.
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Old 06-15-2012, 02:13 AM   #49
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I was putting in the floor today, and everything went sideways. It was a one piece linoleum and at one point I was trapped in the Boler ... picture opening an umbrella in a closet and trying to get out while itís still open.

Anyway it ended up I had to disconnect the bit of wiring I had done because everything ended up in the way of the floor including me. I think I lost the battle but won the war. More on that later. The wiring will be next , as soon as the floor is glued down.

I will take photos of the wiring as I go and give you my DC for dummies version as I go. Try as I might all the wiring schematics Iíve located on the net have looked indecipherable to me

In the meantime the epoxie can be purchased at Canadian Tire in the autobody section it is fibreglass resin, I might have been mistaken when I called it epoxy? I just used the resin without the glass.

Please let me know where you get the urethane glue and how it works for you, I was thinking of trying it. The only thing that is making me nervous about gluing the cupboards in is that if I cannot hold it in place long enough to stick tight. or worse... gluing it out of place.

Unless someone suggests an alternative I think I will rivet the overhead cupboards to the shell, and tab the bottom cupboards with fibreglass.

A quick review of my limited battery knowledge is that two 6 volt batteries can be drained lower, and will last longer than a single deep cycle 12 volt. So you end up having access to a deeper reserve of Amp hours. I think they could make a 12volt battery deliverer the same amp hours but the battery would have to be the same size and weight as two 6 volt batteries, and end up too heavy to manage.

The batteries I have a capacity to deliver 233 amp hours if I drained them. That would be bad for them but they can be safely drained down to 100 amp hour before they would have to be recharged. You would get a lot less out of a deep cycle 12 volt before it would need recharging.

The only power draw would be LED lights, and running the Fantastic Fan which medans I should be able to funtion off the grid completely using a solare panel.

I tried to go with a close up of the batteriesí specs.

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Old 06-17-2012, 02:04 AM   #50
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Rewired the trailer lights today. Wanted to use the LED rear lights I got from princess Auto,but I also wanted to use the original lens cover because I like the retro look of the originals. You know have my cake and eat it too.

They would not fit as the stuck out a little too much, the lights would not fit period with out some kind of modification, maybe because my lights are not frenched ?. So I decided if modification were required no matter what then I modify them to meet my needs and use the original tail lights. Did have another set but chose to sell them earlier.

To make them work I has to cut out the back out of the originals lights , slide in the LEDís far enough to make enough room for the lens cover and retaining ring. I sealed it with butyl tape and duck tape.

I was not sure what wires to hook up for the wiring as the wire from the back of the LEDís were red and black, and the white of course which was the ground. It looked to me that if the wiring was done correct initially, then most of the potential future problems usually had to do with a poor ground, So I doubled up the grounds one from each light to the frame, and a separate ground wire running from light to light to the frame.

I just guessed with the LED wires and got lucky. So for those of you who are wondering the same thing as was the green or yellow wire connects to the red and the brown wire connects to the black.

I had some old hose that I decided to use as a wiring harness of sorts to keep them organized and out of harms way. I do not want to loose my running lights when a sweater gets snagged on some wireing. I also chose to solder all the connections as my eyes are not going to be better in the future.

Also got the floor in and some other stuff. Iíll throw up some pictures. Starting to look shiny and all pretty.

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Old 06-17-2012, 02:14 AM   #51
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Here is a few more photos of how things are coming along.

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Old 06-19-2012, 08:53 PM   #52
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Thanks for the info on everything and as well as the batteries i was talking to some guys at work the other day and they were saying that 2 6volt batteries is the way to go. just didnt know what to get. i have a solar kit and definitly can live off the grid if need be. The glue is a proform product that can be purchased at Acklands Grainger. Its a urethans glue used for bonding body panels and what not together. Got the idea from other thread on here but haven't got an update on how that worked though. The boler looks great and i really like the colors on the inside.
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:54 PM   #53
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Been doing a little work between other things. I got the upper cupboard in with the doors on, and the lower cupboards in with the backsplash. The backsplash allows me to hide the wires behind it so I can get rid of the pole that used to be in the middle of the counter.

I raised the height of the bottom cupboard to allow more room for the cooler which is being built into the left dinette seat and extends to under the stove. This means that I have to modify the original support. I think I am going to have one custom made but that will have to be later to I am temporarily using the two pillars to give support in the meantime.

The wiring is just about complete but I am taking my time . The FF fan I put on a second line.

Slowly but surely itís coming together

I have left the outside because the weather has been bad, and I wanted to get the yard back. All spring it has been looking like a workshop and my better half has been very patient.

Soon I will post my door issues which I think I have beat. But for the moment here is where we are at.

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Old 07-07-2012, 03:17 PM   #54
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The entire system will only be DC so the wiring is simpler. I bought the batteries from a electrician and I am taking his advise and wiring the FF separately to the batteries using higher gage wire and the lights will be on a separate line. I will also have an inline fuse within a couple inches from the batteries terminal so nothing gets accidentally welded.

I was kicking the idea around regarding a battery box for my two 6 V batteries. Though about using a a metal tool box , a plastic tool box etc and then I was walking through Wallyworld and I saw a coleman cooler for sale under 25 bucks. I had the dimensions I needed to accommodate the batteries in my head and it looked like the cooler might work.

So I bolted the cooler down , and then ran the battery straps through the , so that the straps held the batteries and the cooler tight to the frame.

You can see from the photos that it keeps everything neat and tidy. It also keeps the solar controller and wiring stored where it is handy.

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Old 07-07-2012, 03:55 PM   #55
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Looks all neat and tidy. Good idea on the cooler, is the solar controller safe there. Was redaing that it might need some sort of certain clearance from batteries etc.... not sure but if you havent checked i would better to be safe than sorry eh. And im wondering what did you go with attaching your upper cupboards and lower cabinet.
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:16 AM   #56
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I am glad you mentioned the charge controller location. The unit did not come with any instructions to speak of and the last thing I read on installing them was to put the charge contoler as close as possible to the batteries.

After you questioned the location I did some more research.

Next you'll want to determine the location for the charge controller. The charge controller should be as close to the batteries as possible but not in the battery compartment. Battery gases can corrode and over time destroy the electrical circuits in most solar charge controllers

There are a couple of reasons not to have the charger in the battery compartment one is outgassing from charging, and rge second is corrosion I guess. So I will move it. I was not worried about out gassing so much because holes to ventilate have gone in.

Controllers also do not like heat or water, so I will figger a new location as close to the controller as possible.

I ended up riveting the cupboards in. To be frank I was too scared to glue them in. As it was I had to take the top cupboard out and put it back in a second time so I could get the backsplash in properly.

There are too many things that can go sideways and my experience is too limited which means that It is not a good idea for me to anything as permament as the kind of glue we are talking about

Anyway thanks for the tip on the controller. How did your cupboards work out did you go with the glue

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