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02-11-2019, 10:40 AM
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Member
Name: Barclay
Trailer: Scamp
Oregon
Posts: 96
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Has anyone taken on the project of replacing the curved Scamp door with a new frame a
Os it possible to build a new fiberglass door frame and to add a flat Casita Door? We seem to remember seeing this on a post somewhere but not sure which site? Seems like it would require a lot of work.
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02-11-2019, 03:08 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Dave
Trailer: Casita SD17 2006 "Missing Link"
California
Posts: 3,738
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bjkj
Os it possible to build a new fiberglass door frame and to add a flat Casita Door? We seem to remember seeing this on a post somewhere but not sure which site? Seems like it would require a lot of work.
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Sure it can be done and would be a bit of work. Can't say I've seen anyone post of doing that but a number of folks have rebuilt the factory curved door frames and doors. I think it would be a great project but I like working with FG. The flat door has advantages....and seals well . The biggest downfall/cost, to me, is having to paint the trailer.
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02-11-2019, 05:56 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
Posts: 25,697
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Well, there's this one done by a member here years ago. Sorry I can't remember who it was. Last I heard, Melissa Irwin now owns the trailer.
Then there's the PlayMor II which is an egg shape and came with an inset flat door right from the factory.
The Lil Bigfoot had a flat door.
As does the current manufacturer Armadillo
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However you would do it seems like it would be a lot of work for a small return on time, cost investment. YMMV
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Donna D.
Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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02-11-2019, 06:21 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler 13 ft / Casita FD
Posts: 2,038
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My Casita has a flat door that PO had installed and the workmanship is outstanding.
Unfortunately for some reason I have trouble posting pictures but it is the same as the first picture in Donna D's post of the Scamp.
Built our of composite material.
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02-11-2019, 06:47 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,925
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Has anyone taken on the project of replacing the curved Scamp door with a new frame a
I don’t particularly care for the way they look, especially the ones that project outward, but there’s no doubt they work better. A recessed, radiused door (like the Armadillo) is visually better integrated, but more complex to build.
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02-11-2019, 08:19 PM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,880
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Donna,
You are an amazing source of information. Don't know how you do it.
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02-11-2019, 08:23 PM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,880
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bjkj
Os it possible to build a new fiberglass door frame and to add a flat Casita Door? We seem to remember seeing this on a post somewhere but not sure which site? Seems like it would require a lot of work.
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The flat ones that are inset, like on my Oliver, look good, but have limited range of movement and won't open all the way around. This is inconvenient sometimes and is more likely to get damaged.
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02-12-2019, 08:01 AM
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Member
Name: Barclay
Trailer: Scamp
Oregon
Posts: 96
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Thank you all. It will give us something to think about. I completely rebuilt our Scamp door but the seal still is a bit of a problem. I just bought a 1985 16’ Scamp and will remodel it completely like I did with our 13. Fun projects
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02-12-2019, 10:18 AM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,880
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bjkj
Thank you all. It will give us something to think about. I completely rebuilt our Scamp door but the seal still is a bit of a problem. I just bought a 1985 16’ Scamp and will remodel it completely like I did with our 13. Fun projects
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I hope you post some pictures of your work.
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02-12-2019, 10:41 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 13 ft Boler
Posts: 1,175
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The seal is always a problem on these curved doors.
I reshaped and reglass'd mine in 2003 and the seal was good but since then the door has given up some of it's shape and seal.
I've given thought to combining the flat and curved door into one. Using the original hinges and creating a flat surface on the inside of the door for the seal.
With careful execution the exterior wouldn't need paint.
The door would be much stronger and hold it's shape better,,, but weigh more, would the hinges hold up?
Fred
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02-12-2019, 09:41 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Alexander
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1300
New Hampshire
Posts: 1,140
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FRED SMAILES
The door would be much stronger and hold it's shape better,,, but weigh more, would the hinges hold up?
Fred
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One member here on the site rebuilt his trailer door using a metal frame so I think the hinges would hold up. I don't remember if the trailer was a boler, trillium or scamp.
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02-13-2019, 06:37 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,925
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I recall that project , Alex. The one I’m thinking of kept the curved shape, but replaced the wood core with a frame of shaped, square tube metal. Don’t recall if it was aluminum or steel, probably steel. I believe they put insulation between the frame tubes and glassed over the whole thing. Nicely done.
The best way, of course, is to prevent water infiltration in the first place by sealing the wood edges around the window and latch cuts, and periodically resealing the window, latch, and hinges.
Fred, what you describe seems a little like what Happier Camper does, with a shaped inner molded door skin to increase rigidity.
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02-13-2019, 08:02 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 13 ft Boler
Posts: 1,175
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Thanks for that info Jon, I'll check it out.
I haven't been in an airplane for 35 years but I don't think their doors whistle in the wind so there must be a solution.
Fred
Edit after looking up some images of the Happier Camper, yes they have a substantial inner structure. But, the gasket surface is still the curved shape of the body.
I was thinking of building a flat surface into the trailer for a door seal and a inner structure on the door that sealed to it.
https://goo.gl/images/J9NStQ
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02-13-2019, 08:54 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
Posts: 25,697
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Over the years we've seen all manner of methods to fix an air-craft door that seems to be flattening out. IMHO, the best version is where a lightweight 'magazine' rack was affixed near the bottom. The side panels were curved to hold the shape of the door. You wouldn't want to put anything heavy in the rack, like bunches of shoes, but a couple of folded maps would be okay. Done with skill, it could look good!
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Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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02-13-2019, 10:24 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,925
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FRED SMAILES
...after looking up some images of the Happier Camper, yes they have a substantial inner structure. But, the gasket surface is still the curved shape of the body.
I was thinking of building a flat surface into the trailer for a door seal and a inner structure on the door that sealed to it.
https://goo.gl/images/J9NStQ
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Yes, you’re correct. I don’t think the problem is the shape of the mating surface as much as the flexibility of the materials and lack of precision in the manufacturing process. As you say, curved airplane doors work fine.
But I’ll look forward to seeing your approach. As Donna says, the creativity of folks over the years is amazing, and I have admired your craftsmanship in the past.
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02-13-2019, 10:59 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: Escape 21C
New York
Posts: 2,387
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While I'm sure there were other reasons, one of the benefits of the new (2017) body style change by Escape was to allow for a standard flat RV door. They have gone through a couple of types (stiff hinge, partial opening, etc) but the big advantage is it allows the Americana style & size refrigerators, a big improvement on the poor high temperature performance of the European versions they used in the older body style with a smaller, curved door.
If you are going to do a major rebuild to end up with a flat door, you might consider the refrigerator...
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02-20-2019, 05:01 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1985 13 ft U-Haul
Posts: 596
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flat door
I have often wondered if some version of the scamp articulated screen door would work ? Lee
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02-21-2019, 09:15 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Shannon
Trailer: 1975 13' Boler
British Columbia
Posts: 229
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I am just in the process of replacing an ill-fitting door on my Boler and completely constructed it from plywood and fiberglass on the outside. Fair bit of work but so far, I'm really happy with the fit. I'll be mounting it back onto the trailer in the next 3 - 4 weeks once it's back from getting fibreglassed. i also built a frame to reinforce the door opening. For more detail and pictures, my thread is "1975 Boler Complete Restoration...my once in a lifetime project" posts #77-92 for the door construction and post 46 for the door frame. I also considered a repair that involved constructing the interior frame for the door from 1" square aluminum that seemed to turn out quite well. Here's the link for that:
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/files/BolerDoorFix.pdf
Best of luck!
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