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Old 09-02-2013, 02:33 PM   #15
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I asked my husband to respond to this question; he is VERY knowledgeable re: the CA vehicle code.......here's what he wrote;

You may relocate your rear license plate as long as it is not less than 12 inches from the ground and not more than 90 inches above the ground.

You must have a license plate lamp per CVC Section 24601 and must be clearly legible from a distance of 50 feet.

Please read code sections below:


VEHICLE CODE
SECTION 5200-5206
5200. (a) When two license plates are issued by the department for
use upon a vehicle, they shall be attached to the vehicle for which
they were issued, one in the front and the other in the rear.
(b) When only one license plate is issued for use upon a vehicle,
it shall be attached to the rear thereof, unless the license plate is
issued for use upon a truck tractor, in which case the license plate
shall be displayed in accordance with Section 4850.5.

5201. (a) License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to
the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates
from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly
visible, and so that the characters are upright and display from left
to right, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly
legible. The rear license plate shall be mounted not less than 12
inches nor more than 60 inches from the ground, and the front license
plate shall be mounted not more than 60 inches from the ground,
except as follows:
(1) The rear license plate on a tow truck or repossessor's tow
vehicle may be mounted on the left-hand side of the mast assembly at
the rear of the cab of the vehicle, not less than 12 inches nor more
than 90 inches from the ground.
V C Section 24601 License Plate Lamp



License Plate Lamp


24601. Either the taillamp or a separate lamp shall be so


constructed and placed as to illuminate with a white light the rear

license plate during darkness and render it clearly legible from a


distance of 50 feet to the rear.





When the rear license plate is


illuminated by a lamp other than a required taillamp, the two lamps


shall be turned on or off only by the same control switch at all times.






Amended Ch. 1313, Stats. 1965. Effective September 17, 1965.








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From: gailanne Molver <gailanneM@aol.com>
To: Stuart/cell <dustoff376@aol.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2013 11:14 pm
Subject: From fgrv site -- please answer & I' ll post it!! (Re: my modification: saddlebags)

Question for anyone that can answer it. I'd like to add something like this to
the rear of my Scamp, but my license plate is mounted under the left light and
would be hidden by the left saddlebag. Can I move the plate to above the light,
or are there some regulations that state where the plates should be mounted?

Sent from my iPad



V C Section 24601 License Plate Lamp License Plate Lamp 24601. Either the taillamp or a separate lamp shall be so constructed and placed as to illuminate with a white light the rear license plate during darkness and render it clearly legible from a distance of 50 feet to the rear. When the rear license plate is illuminated by a lamp other than a required taillamp, the two lamps shall be turned on or off only by the same control switch at all times. Amended Ch. 1313, Stats. 1965. Effective September 17, 1965.

V C Section 5200 Display of License Plates Display of License Plates 5200. (a) When two license plates are issued by the department for use upon a vehicle, they shall be attached to the vehicle for which they were issued, one in the front and the other in the rear. (b) When only one license plate is issued for use upon a vehicle, it shall be attached to the rear thereof , unless the license plate is issued for use upon a truck tractor, in which case the license plate shall be displayed in accordance with Section 4850.5. Amended Sec. 27, Ch. 594, Stats. 2003. Effective January 1, 2004.

V C Section 5201 Positioning of Plates Positioning of Plates 5201. (a) License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible, and so that the characters are upright and display from left to right, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly legible. The rear license plate shall be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 60 inches from the ground, and the front license plate shall be mounted not more than 60 inches from the ground, except as follows: ( )1 (1) The rear license plate on a tow truck or repossessor&rsquo;s tow vehicle may be mounted on the left-hand side of the mast assembly at the rear of the cab of the vehicle, not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground. ( )2 (2) The rear license plate on a tank vehicle hauling hazardous waste, as defined in Section 25117 of the Health and Safety Code, or asphalt material may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground. ( )3 (3) The rear license plate on a truck tractor may be mounted at the rear of the cab of the vehicle, but not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground. ( )4 (4) The rear license plate of a vehicle designed by the manufacturer for the collection and transportation of garbage, rubbish, or refuse that is used regularly for the collection and transportation of that material by a person or governmental entity employed to collect, transport, and dispose of garbage, rubbish, or refuse may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground. ( )5 (5) The rear license plate on a two-axle livestock trailer may be mounted 12 inches or more, but not more than 90 inches, from the ground. (6) (A) The rear license plate on a dump bed motortruck equipped with a trailing, load bearing swing axle shall be mounted more than 12 inches, but not more than 107 inches, from the ground. ( As used in this section, a trailing, load bearing swing axle is an axle which can be moved from a raised position to a position behind the vehicle that allows for the transfer of a portion of the weight of the vehicle and load to the trailing axle. ( )6 (b) A covering shall not be used on license plates except as follows: (1) The installation of a cover over a lawfully parked vehicle to protect it from the weather and the elements does not constitute a violation of this subdivision. A peace officer or other regularly salaried employee of a public agency designated to enforce laws, including local ordinances, relating to the parking of vehicles may temporarily remove so much of the cover as is necessary to inspect any license plate, tab, or indicia of registration on a vehicle. (2) The installation of a license plate security cover is not a violation of this subdivision if the device does not obstruct or impair the recognition of the license plate information, including, but not limited to, the issuing state, license plate number, and registration tabs, and the cover is limited to the area directly over the top of the registration tabs. No portion of a license plate security cover shall rest over the license plate number. ( )7 (c) A casing, shield, frame, border, product, or other device that obstructs or impairs the reading or recognition of a license plate by an electronic device operated by state or local law enforcement, an electronic device operated in connection with a toll road, high-occupancy toll lane, toll bridge, or other toll facility, or a remote emission sensing device, as specified in Sections 44081 and 44081.6 of the Health and Safety Code, shall not be installed on, or affixed to, a vehicle. ( )8 (d) (1) It is the intent of the Legislature that an accommodation be made to persons with disabilities and to those persons who regularly transport persons with disabilities, to allow the removal and relocation of wheelchair lifts and wheelchair carriers without the necessity of removing and reattaching the vehicle's rear license plate. Therefore, it is not a violation of this section if the reading or recognition of a rear license plate is obstructed or impaired by a wheelchair lift or wheelchair carrier and all of the following requirements are met: (A) The owner of the vehicle has been issued a special identification license plate pursuant to Section 5007, or the person using the wheelchair that is carried on the vehicle has been issued a distinguishing placard under Section 22511.55. ( (i) The operator of the vehicle displays a decal, designed and issued by the department, that contains the license plate number assigned to the vehicle transporting the wheelchair. (ii) The decal is displayed on the rear window of the vehicle, in a location determined by the department, in consultation with the Department of the California Highway Patrol, so as to be clearly visible to law enforcement. (2) Notwithstanding any other law, if a decal is displayed pursuant to this subdivision, the requirements of this code that require the illumination of the license plate and the license plate number do not apply. (3) The department shall adopt regulations governing the procedures for accepting and approving applications for decals, and issuing decals, authorized by this subdivision. (4) This subdivision does not apply to a front license plate. Amended Sec. 2, Ch. 626, Stats. 2003. Effective January 1, 2004. Amended Sec. 6, Ch. 650, Stats. 2004. Effective January 1, 2005. Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 273, Stats. 2007. Effective January 1, 2008. Amended Sec. 107, Ch. 307, Stats. 2009. Effective January 1, 2010. Amended Sec. 37, Ch. 491, Stats. 2010. Effective January 1, 2011. Amended Sec. 34.5, Ch. 769, Stats. 2012. Effective January 1, 2013. The 2012 amendment added the italicized material, and at the point(s) indicated, deleted the following: 1. " (a)" 2. " (b) " 3. " (c)" 4. " (d)" 5. "(e)" 6. " (f)" 7. " (g)" 8. " (h)" -


----Original Message----- From: gailanne Molver <gailanneM@aol.com> To: Stuart/cell <dustoff376@aol.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2013 11:14 pm Subject: From fgrv site -- please answer & I' ll post it!! (Re: my modification: saddlebags)


Question for anyone that can answer it. I'd like to add something like this to the rear of my Scamp, but my license plate is mounted under the left light and would be hidden by the left saddlebag. Can I move the plate to above the light, or are there some regulations that state where the plates should be mounted? Sent from my iPad
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:37 PM   #16
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(I forgot to mention that Stuart is a police officer with San Francisco PD & experienced in commercial vehicle inspection & ground transportation. He really knows the CA vehicle code! The other officers constantly call HIM for advice, codes, questions.....)
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:47 PM   #17
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in response to questions of theft/security & attachment:

The saddlebags have a lock. However, if someone wanted into them, it would probably not deter them!

I had a friend weld the pieces to attach the saddlebags & they are bolted to the bumper. Here are some photos.....
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Old 09-03-2013, 03:32 AM   #18
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WOW I'm a Sheriff Deputy in NC and the only thing we are concerned with is being able to read the tag......................You can hand it anywhere as long as its lighted and facing to the rear.
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Old 09-03-2013, 08:28 AM   #19
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too bad they werent a bit bigger....could put a battery in each one!
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Old 09-03-2013, 04:08 PM   #20
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Great panniers on the Burro, Gailanne!
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Old 09-03-2013, 04:58 PM   #21
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Thanks Frederick. My Scamp doesn't have a plate light. But since its mounted right under the tail light which lights it, maybe that qualifies??? I don't travel at night so it hasn't been an issue, but I should add it down the road to be compliant.
Yup thats the qualifier! Scamps rear lights have a clear section on the bottom that lights up the plate. I had to come up with a solution to the problem of no plate lights when I changed the trailers lights over to LED. I used screws to hold the plate on that had built in LED lights - found them at a motorcycle/ATV shop.
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(I forgot to mention that Stuart is a police officer with San Francisco PD & experienced in commercial vehicle inspection & ground transportation. He really knows the CA vehicle code! The other officers constantly call HIM for advice, codes, questions.....)
Thanks Gailanne for going to the trouble of getting and posting all of this information. This is great. I'm in the East Bay. It would be fun together some time and talk about our Scamping experiences.
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Yup thats the qualifier! Scamps rear lights have a clear section on the bottom that lights up the plate. I had to come up with a solution to the problem of no plate lights when I changed the trailers lights over to LED. I used screws to hold the plate on that had built in LED lights - found them at a motorcycle/ATV shop.
I'm going to check those out. Good simple solution.
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Linda/otters

I'd love to meet & talk FGRV stuff sometime! LOVE your HMB photos....maybe we could plan to camp over there together sometime(?)
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Just FYI, I found that Amazon carries these saddle bags, which give one the advantage of reading other's reviews.

Amazon.com: TMS Cruiser Motorcycle Hard Saddle Bags Black Trunk Bag With Tail Light Bracket For Harley Davidson Honda Yamaha Touring Cruiser: Sports & Outdoors

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These motorcycle trunks also lend some possibilities: Amazon.com: Universal Black Detachable Motorcycle Luggage Hard Trunk Top Case for Aprilla, Bmw, Harley Davidson, Honda, Kawasaki, Ktm, Suzuki, Vespa, Yamaha, Rukus, Scooter, Atv, Dual Purpose, Motocross, Motorcycle, Sport, Touring, Cruisers, Moped, D

All are available on eBay for a lot less than Amazon.

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I'd love to meet & talk FGRV stuff sometime! LOVE your HMB photos....maybe we could plan to camp over there together sometime(?)
Sounds great to me. I have to say though, HMB was really cold and windy. I'm going to look for a more protected area on the beach nearby. I camped once near Santa Cruz and it was more pleasant.
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That sounds good, too!
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