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Old 05-20-2011, 08:28 PM   #29
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I'll be curious to hear others' comments on the search feature though.

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I find "search" here almost impossible to use except by the "that rings a bell" system Donna describes.
I think the difficulty is in large part due to the lack of accurate, predictably "search-relevant" tags. In fact, many threads (including this one) have no tags at all; while those tags that do exist are often so general as to be of very little use for future searchers.
It looks like only the Original Poster can apply tags, and perhaps many don't think to do so. Consideration might be given to allowing others to tag threads, or even forming a "tag team" to see that it's done in a way most compatible with the site search engine.

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I find "search" here almost impossible to use except by the "that rings a bell" system Donna describes.
I think the difficulty is in large part due to the lack of accurate, predictably "search-relevant" tags. In fact, many threads (including this one) have no tags at all; while those tags that do exist are often so general as to be of very little use for future searchers.
It looks like only the Original Poster can apply tags, and perhaps many don't think to do so. Consideration might be given to allowing others to tag threads, or even forming a "tag team" to see that it's done in a way most compatible with the site search engine.

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I have found that if you use the "advanced search" option and then click on "search titles only" it works quite well.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:59 PM   #31
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In fact, many threads (including this one) have no tags at all; while those tags that do exist are often so general as to be of very little use for future searchers.
It looks like only the Original Poster can apply tags, and perhaps many don't think to do so.
This and many other posts were composed and posted long before tags were available on the site. I'll gladly add tags to any of my posts with the proper recommendations. If you want to wait for me to post them on my own, you will have to wait until I figure out how tags best work and then find my many, many posts.

So how would you tag it? boler, boler American, Scamp, door, warped door, warped body, body sag, frame crack, rotten floor, poor design?
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The best thing (IMHO) people can do is give the Title of the thread some value by being specific about what the topic contains. Merely saying "I need help," or other nonsense does not help. I use the custom Google search, opened in a separate tab, to search for info: Google Custom Search - Fiberglass RV Forum Custom Search
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My best results come from using the Google Search feature
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:50 AM   #34
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So how would you tag it? boler, boler American, Scamp, door, warped door, warped body, body sag, frame crack, rotten floor, poor design?
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The best thing (IMHO) people can do is give the Title of the thread some value by being specific about what the topic contains. [/url]
Hi, Roy,

The care with which you've composed the title of this thread is a good example of Donna's recommendation. You've managed to include the words most likely to be used as search terms by a seeker attempting to solve a problem similar to the one you discuss. Search terms "door fit" and "body sag" both lead almost immediately to this thread using Google Custom Search. "Boler door" and "warped door" seem to me to be other likely search terms if you're thinking of adding tags.

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Off Topic P.S. to ANYONE:

I've been waiting for "IMHO" to pop up (again!) so I can ask: what the heck does that mean?
Whenever I see it a whole list of possibilities runs through my head, none of which makes sense- even to me!

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"in my humble opinion", often not so humble.

And yes, I agree, good thread names are critical. This one is an excellent example.
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"in my humble opinion", often not so humble.


Well, no wonder I couldn't figure it out!

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Well, no wonder I couldn't figure it out!

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The care with which you've composed the title of this thread is a good example of Donna's recommendation. You've managed to include the words most likely to be used as search terms by a seeker attempting to solve a problem similar to the one you discuss.
Thank you Francesca,

That's what we had to do in the old days before "tags" existed in the newer software. Sometimes it would take me as long to come up with a title as it would to compose a post. Usually the composition came 1st, which then provided clues to the most appropriate title.

FYI the older software had a better built in search function, aside from tags, which I presume makes up for the difference.
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Roy, was this the video that you spoke of on the phone? Do you know of a how to on the installation of the plywood? I having a hard time understanding how to install it.

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Jason,

That is exactly the video I spoke of.

If anybody want to see the importance if the various inner components on the structural integrity of the trailer they should see the next or 3rd video in Riverport Rovers boler series.

Riverport Rovers Boler Trailer Refit Part 3 - YouTube

Now for the plywood I spoke of, it is the piece in the picture below. You should see something like this once you remove your front bench. It is sort of framed by the 3 wires in the picture and screwed to the sheet metal of the frame with the screws you see. On the backside on mine it was very poorly glassed on the backside to the fiberglass that extends to the bottom of the hinge side of the door opening.




What is shown above applies to the boler American. It may or may not apply to other bolers and Scamps. I can’t say for certain which because I’ve seen a lot of variation of how various trailers were built in this area.

If you were just replacing the one piece Jason, you need to remove the front bench by removing the screws on the top of the bench near the front and side walls. Then you would undo the two screws going through the sheet metal. Chances are it will fall off from where the fiberglass is attached to it.

If I were tackling this job today, I would not do the aluminum frame around the door opening. I would replace the small piece of plywood with a much taller piece such that it would become part of a screen door mod. I’d use the new piece to replace the curved square metal tube that is on the hinge side of the door frame, carrying it all the way up to the roof. The finished product would look something like this taken from boler life’s screen door page. http://bolerlife.com/screendoor.html.




To do that you would have to notch out a piece of the elevated plywood floor at the front of the trailer under the bench. You might have to notch Z shaped metal of the frame in that area too. Plus you would have to notch the front bench. The notches could be supported by adding bracing to the side of the upright facing the front of the trailer.

It looks like james kent did a version of the screen door mod that did not require notching using 2 pieces for the upright.
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f56/screen-door-25070.html#post44339
If you did it that way, you might not be able to get your front bench out without a lot more work.

There are lots of diagrams that show the uprights used in the screen door mod.
http://www.bolerama.org/screendoor.html
http://www.bolerama.org/scampscreendoor.html
Gord100’s screen door is oft quoted, but his web page is gone. Some pictures can been seen in this post from 2006 http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f56/screen-door-25070.html#post44401
Benny K used to have good pictures on webshots but they seem to have disappeared with him. Hopefully someone still has copies of the pictures and upload them to this thread.

Donna D. uploaded a PDF on screen doors in this post:
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f55/screen-door-32015.html#post118533

If I were doing the screen door mod, I’d size and position the brace above the door to act as a shelf to hold a fire extinguisher on its side and a flashlight. On the upright nearest the door hinges, I’d allow for a shelf to tie into the front overhead cabinet. I'd also incorporate brackets to help support the door hinges on the body.


Hope this helps.
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Thanks so much for the info. Ive seen many of those and they help a great deal. Since the PO removed the original front bench, notching the existing bench for a full length D shaped Plywood peice, should be easy enough.

One area of concern remains for me though. How would one best attach the top of the door frame to the shell? I figure the hinge side D frame would attach to the square tubing and the latch side to the closet, but what of the top? Ancors through the shell into the top of the frame perhaps?
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If you are talking about the upright piece - I'm not sure Jason.
My gut is that for those running a solid piece of wood all the way up they are removing the square tube and screwing through the inset on the door frame where the existing tube is attached. You'll have to filter through the various Screen door mods to see how others have done it. Please post back here with what you find.

As for the piece that runs across the top, I've always assumed that it was only attached to the sides.
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