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Old 10-08-2016, 06:06 AM   #197
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My Campster project is suffering from neglect. But I have put in a lot of the ceiling insulation. I am using close cell foam. I have enough of a brand new, big piece of it I rescued from the Dumpster to do the area over the dinette and I purchased some 3/8" thick Landau foam for over the kitchen area. the stuff from the dumpster is a little thinner but more dense so it will be just as good as the thicker material. The two areas are separated by a beam structure that goes across the ceiling so the small height difference is not an issue.

To install the foam I am using Weldwood Contact Cement. I know there is a lot of discussion on this forum about using spray glues but I will tell you this. That contact cement is way easier to apply and cost a lot less. Plus it is not actually messy to work with, no over spray, no need to suit up like a Hazmat team either. It is high temperature resistant. It can be used on the closed cell foams without causing damage to them. it is very strong and that is the type of glue they used back in the day when they built these trailers. So I went with the affordable and tried and true option that did not make a big mess. Of course if I had a finished interior then I would have covered the walls and the floor but I don't so I got to skip that part.

To apply the contact cement to the ceiling and to the foam I used a 4 inch foam roller and a plastic, disposable paint tray made of use with the 4 inch rollers. I also used a disposable. inexpensive, chip brush that is natural fibers for applying glue along the edges of the wall. Gloves of course and all the windows and the door open for ventilation. no open flames, etc. I will say that it was much easier on my health than a spray glue would have been with all that particle mist flying around in the air.

I found that it was easier to put in a 4 inch wide strip of foam along that curved transition between the ceiling and the walls instead of forcing the foam to take the curve. The Landau foam was not quite happy with making that curve. Two people makes the job of sticking the foam in place go easier but it can be done with just one person which I had to do some of the time.

I cut the foam with a utility knife guided along my 4" long drywall T-square that I showed in an earlier post. You do want to slightly oversize the foam, just an inch or so will do it and then do a final trim afterwards.

I will be using a thinner, 1/8" or so closed cell foam over those built up fiberglass ceiling beams. They are already foam filled so no need for thicker insulation over them but it is nice to hit something a little soft with my noggin instead of the hard fiberglass and it will smooth out any irregularities in the fiberglass and there are plenty of those.

But between having a lot of intermittent rain and wind this last week and being busy with producing a new Tiny Village set of cardstock buildings I have not got much done on my project lately. Of course I do feel guilty about that and even some anxiety about it not being worked on.

Tomorrow I am going outside and clean up all the mess of work tables, materials etc that are outside of the project and then tidy up the inside. At least that will make it look better and not discourage me when I go out there.

Good news is not one drop of water has entered the Campster despite heavy rain and some good strong gust. Even with the pop up top extended during the storms it has stayed dry. Now that is real progress over the state it was in when I bought it. But I need to cut some holes in the shell for the water and electrical inlets. It is pretty funny how I keep putting that off just from not wanting to put in holes. It is not as if they are difficult to cut using a hole saw for some and a jig saw for another and I have the tools, the parts, the butyl tape, etc. I can't put it off much longer as it has to get done before the plywood walls go up. So on the theory of do the things you least want to do first that is likely to get done in the next couple of days...if the rain slacks off.

But first I get to do something fun. Cut the first prototype for a little cardstock lighthouse for this seasons Little Village series. First prototype being the operative word...it usually takes a couple of prototype generations before I consider it perfectly perfect.
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Old 10-09-2016, 06:15 AM   #198
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Good news is not one drop of water has entered the Campster despite heavy rain and some good strong gust.
That is good news indeed!!

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Old 10-11-2016, 01:40 PM   #199
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Karin, do you have a website or do you sell your villages on something like Etsy? Please provide a link for more info?
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Karin, do you have a website or do you sell your villages on something like Etsy? Please provide a link for more info?
Thank you for your interest
I have an Etsy storefront The new set for this year will be posted in it before a week is up!!!

They are a small enough project to take along on a trailer trip for a stuck inside during the rain event and a small enough finished project to take along and display. The instructions are online but can be saved for viewing offline or they can be printed out. The instructions are here, so you can see what you are getting into before you buy http://glitterhouses.blogspot.com/
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These are awesome and adorable! I know this is off topic, but would very much like to know your process. Do you design the kit and then have it made elsewhere? Or do you physically create each kit yourself? This strikes me as an excellent occupation/hobby for those who think very scientifically and three dimensionally.
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These are awesome and adorable! I know this is off topic, but would very much like to know your process. Do you design the kit and then have it made elsewhere? Or do you physically create each kit yourself? This strikes me as an excellent occupation/hobby for those who think very scientifically and three dimensionally.
I do every bit of it all by myself, I don't hire anything out, I don't have any employees.
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Old 10-12-2016, 03:50 PM   #203
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Today's chore has to do with having procrastinated putting in hold down fittings for my pop up roof section. Good thing I already have the wood trim pieces the hold downs cut to length and varnished. High wind warning with heavy rain for tomorrow but the mother load of the storm won't arrive until Saturday and it has the potential to be a record breaking event with lots of damaging gust, strong winds and coastal flooding from big waves.

No doubt the power will go out so I guess I had better get my batteries charged on the LED lamps and get my Mr. Buddy heater and propane bottles put handy.

Good thing I am sheltered from the wind by my friends much taller and longer travel trailer.

Guess I will get my dog walking job done and get after it then go and fetch my generator in case I need it to keep working.
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I do every bit of it all by myself, I don't hire anything out, I don't have any employees.
MAN. After looking at the diminutive size and incredible detail of these tiny villages, I'm just STUNNED. They are quite beautiful.
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Old 03-12-2017, 01:04 AM   #205
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spring is on its way!!!

I have not been doing any actual hands on work over this winter but I have done some purchasing of supplies. One of the things on my list of purchases I want to make was fabric for the cushions. So for quite some time I have been keeping an eye on the rack at the local thrift store where they sell pieces of fabric. Today I got lucky and found a good quality upholstery material in a plaid that will do nicely to go with my red pop top and exterior red and black color scheme and wood paneling. Price was a very affordable $4.99 There should be enough material for the cushion covers but if not that is an easy problem to work around. I can always put a different but compatible fabric on the reverse side of the cushions I make for the backrest. It is fun to switch things up now and again . I already have some fabric in a solid color that will work for the curtains to coordinate with this plaid fabric.
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Beans, my blue point Siamese, offered to photo bomb to keep the image more entertaining. Actually I bribed him. His paw is lifted to say "please" to get the treat. He is trained for several commands, sit and say please are two of them.

My BFFE, Don, purchased a good quality HVLP sprayer in December. So this spring he is going to finish giving my Campster an exterior paint job. I am really looking forward to seeing the results of that!

I am not sure exactly when I will get started on the cabinet making. I need to have a procedure on my left eye in the near future. Once that has time to heal I can get back to it. Most likely sometime in April when the weather is warmer and hopefully drier too. In the meantime I can make more plans for the interior finishes.
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The red plaid will look great!
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Old 04-07-2017, 10:25 AM   #207
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headliner materials

This week I am working on finishing up the insulation on the ceiling and will soon be ready to install some headliner. Yesterday I decided to take a field trip to a local shop that specializes in boat and auto upholstery work and they also sell the materials for doing that work. I wanted to check out what options they had for headliner versus what the local fabric stores carry.

So of course I have a variety of choices to choose from. There are fiber types of materials with a foam backing. I already have 3/8" thick closed cell foam installed against the fiberglass so I am not needing a foam lined material. I have thought about the perforated vinyl headliner with a foam backing but that is not a closed cell foam and it can absorb odors as well as mold spores so I won't be choosing that one.

I think the rat fur types are not something I would like to have so those are off the list as well. If my Campster ceiling installation was being done by trying to follow complex curves I would want to use the rat fur type of material as it could conform more easily to those curves. But instead of using large pieces I am going to break up the job into sections of flat planes and gentle curves that are not complex in shape.

So the way I am going to hand my installation of ceiling material means I can choose to use a light weight vinyl. Condensation is not as much of an issue for me as I now have insulation in my Campster and my choice of heater is vented to the outside and removes moisture from the air versus using a non vented propane heater. I like the idea of having an easy to wash surface which is another factor in my choice of vinyl. Of course I might end up regretting my choice but only time will reveal that. In the long run there is no one perfect choice as all have advantages and disadvantages.

I did learn something very important in my discussion of materials with the employee at the store. It is critical that the lightweight vinyl I choose to use as a headliner should have a fuzzy texture on the backside of the vinyl. That texture is needed to keep it securely adhered overhead. It gives the adhesive something to lock into. Without it the vinyl is very likely to fall off the ceiling. I am glad I took this field trip as it is going to prevent that issue in the future.

Well darn, the lightweight marine vinyl at the fabric store without the fuzzy back would be less than half the cost of the stuff I need for the job. However I do have a neighbor here in this industrial building who does auto interiors. I will see if he can get it at a better price for me from his wholesale supply sources. He has offered in the past to help order me some materials at his cost versus my having to pay retail prices.

For those of you who are just reading this do remember that a fuzzy back on the vinyl is important for adhering the vinyl with an adhesive. The recommended adhesive for the job is the regular, old fashioned, kind of contact cement you can purchase at the hardware stores. No need for any exotic types of adhesive. That yellow contact cement is high temp resistant and very strong as well. It is easy to apply to large areas with a paint roller.
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Thank you Karen. Much appreciated. My Campster is naked fiberglass so the info is valuable. Will be doing some camping on the coast, so it will be interesting to see if condensation will be a problem
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Thank you Karen. Much appreciated. My Campster is naked fiberglass so the info is valuable. Will be doing some camping on the coast, so it will be interesting to see if condensation will be a problem
Ours is bare fiberglass on the inside as well. I don't know if some were built that way or if the original interior was removed. It is clean and looks OK, so it stays the way it is for the foreseeable future.
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Old 04-07-2017, 09:04 PM   #210
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My Campster still had the original wall covering in it when I purchased it. That wall covering was the non-woven type of indoor outdoor polyolefin carpeting. It is basically a type of felted material with no pile to it. It was the color that is sometimes called gold, a light yellow/brown. You can still buy this type of material in carpet stores. Not a bad choice in some ways, affordable, strong, mold resistant as well as washable. Somewhat conformable to the surfaces. It would prevent condensation from dripping on your head. Standard yellow contact cement is the correct adhesive to install it with.

Here is a photo of that original wall covering inside of the closet in a before photo I tool before ripping it all out. For some reason this photo wants to be rotated to horizontal by this thread. It does not appear that way in the photo editing program. (OK I give up trying to make it flip the right way this will have to do!)
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While most of it in the photo looks to be a kind of dirty grey brown color that was an exposed surface that had gotten dirty and moldy too. Remember that my Campster was leaky and spent many years being used as a garden shed so the interior really needed a gut job. If you look right on into the corner area you will see a strip of gold color that was exposed when I removed a piece of wood framing of the closet. That wood piece had protected the carpet so it did not change color.

So now you know what your Campster's used to have in them
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