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Old 12-24-2010, 03:04 PM   #15
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Well I think I got lucky on the bounce test.. Did it a bit different.
I took one wheel off and set the hub down on a block,, Arm moved about 1 1/4" with the weight of an empty trailer.
With it setting on the cinder block I took a spade which gives me about 8:1 mechanical advantage. With the heal of the spade on the block and the blade under the hub I levered up and down on the handle and I was getting about another 1/2" of movement.

Without a real life road test or a base line to check it against, I am pretty sure the axle will see more service before it is pronounced DOA.

Anyone with a new axle and time on their hand want to repeat the test, it would be interesting to compare the results.
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Old 12-27-2010, 11:55 AM   #16
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Probably a third of the miles we have put on our 13ft 'Scamperoonie' over the last fifteen years have been off road, and in some pretty gnarly places like over Mosquito Pass in Colorado back in the mid 90's ---eighteen miles of low range low gear creepy crawl from 10,000 ft to 14,189 ft if I recall from Fairplay to the pass and to Leadville.

A few years ago I changed our old worn out front facing axle for a trailing 45 degree down angle new Dexter unit. it not only raised the whole trailer about 6 inches, but gave us about 12 1/2 inches of clearance under the entire trailer with the axle at about 11 1/2 inches.

I dragged the Scamperoonie over about 55 miles of some of steepest sidehills, uphills and downhills, boulder infested, rutted trails, turning around once in about a foot deep creek bottom when the the road ran out this past fall here in western Montana. Ground clearance cannot be discounted in offroad situations. It took all day and we hardly ever got out of first and second gear low range in the Tacoma with the rear differental lock on.

My advice would be to order the new axle and go with that, as the camber and alignment will be correct. Trying to flip axles and rotate them may cause more problems than they might solve.

My axle swap took one day by myself on my pal's auto lift with a torch, a 4 inch hand grinder, a wirefeed welder and a transmission jack with a tape measure and the appropriate steel tubing, angles, and flat stock to fabricate the new spring mounts.

Without a lift, the work would be very hard to do in my opinion. If one was not proficient with the use of these tools, a good welding or fabrication shop is needed.
high quality welding without burning up the trailer requires some skill, as the steel thickness of the these trailers is typically pretty light.

What ever you decide to do, plan it well, and make sure you have plenty of time and enough material available.

Garo
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Old 01-02-2011, 11:44 AM   #17
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Garo- So what size tire are you able run with this setup? Current TV runs 31" tires and would love to run same on the trailer for simplicity. So yours is a custom setup I take it? Do you have any pictures? How did lifting it affect the highway manners? Mine is in the planning stages currently and I'm trying to get as much info as possible. The axle appears to be shot and I need to do some 'glass work, so this might be ripe for customization.
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Old 01-02-2011, 07:53 PM   #18
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I've been reading all I can on this subject and things I have found out.. Per Dexter, they feel over half the axles replaced are still serviceable. Also even though all of the new axles are trailing arm, they feel they will work well in leading arm installations as well.

Or in other words. 1. My axle is in fine shape and 2. It should be just fine if I convert it to trailing arm.
On the other hand my only real concern with off-roading is hanging up the rear bumper going thru dips.. Considering I am now pulling it on a bumper hitch, going to a receiver hitch and a dropped ball, should raise the tail end enough as to get by.
I would not mind going to bigger tires but with a 4 bolt pattern, it looks like 13's is as big as I will get
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Old 01-02-2011, 09:14 PM   #19
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Archie, I run 13 inch tires still. The highway characteristics are the same, to me. You might be able to run 31 inch tall tires but you might run out of wheel well room. The 185/85R 13 tires I run are about 23-24 inches in diameter and for trailer tires I cannot ask for more. All my trailers run the same tires and wheels for simplicity.
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:23 PM   #20
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I would love to hear how it turned out. I took my scamp in for the axle reverse thinking the same thing, it would be way cheaper, but come to find out the labor is a lot to cut out and re weld and then your tire isnt toed in the way it should be but rather toed out and I would eat tires and possibly be unsafe. The guy was unwilling to do it and I was unwilling to pay the money without even getting a new axle which will also cost a lot. I guess it's constant leveling blocks for now, hopefully a new axle in the future.
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:35 PM   #21
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Anybody with the dexter 45, I would love to know what those axles cost new as the dexter site isn't helping much.
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Old 07-20-2011, 04:49 PM   #22
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Carson,
By the time I was finished with my new dexter axle and my labor, about $100 worth of steel, I had about $600 including shipping of the axle.

To me, that was still good money spent on a good axle, the frame was reinforced and this will last until I am room temperature....

There my be less costly ways to do axles, but I build about a trailer a year and have gone to all dexter torflex axles, no more leaf springs and shackles and straight axles---that is 1950's technology....nothing wrong with the fifties, but using the torflex axles has resulted in better riding trailers, no bounce, better tire wear, etc....why not use the best?

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Old 07-21-2011, 08:41 PM   #23
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Anybody with the dexter 45, I would love to know what those axles cost new as the dexter site isn't helping much.
I don't think Dexter sells direct You may have better luck contacting a local company that you, in turn, purchase the axle from.... like Red Neck. I purchased the Dexter 45 degree down locally here in Portland, OR from Potter Webster.
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Old 10-14-2014, 06:14 PM   #24
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I want to lift my 2009 (or 2010, I cannot remember which), but my axle is welded, not bolted on... So much for the easy answer of the perfectcasita 3in lift.

What options should I consider? Thanks for the help.
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