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Old 04-21-2003, 07:16 AM   #29
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molding

the t-type molding is a good idea, but one of the previous owners attempted to fill the spaces between the ensolite with something and i doubt if the molding would now fit. whatever they used, they didn't do a very good job and it looks very difficult, if not impossible to remove without damaging the ensolite, which otherwise is in good shape. i'm inclined to try to smooth out the seams as much as possible with something (suggestions gladly accepted) and let it go at that.
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Old 04-21-2003, 07:37 AM   #30
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Here's Mikes ideas. (I'm always quoteing him, sure hope he don't care.)
**Insulation woes
I think before we can suggest anything - I'd want to know what sort of insulation was stock in the Surfside - and what condition yours is in.

If it's the same rubbery stuff that the Bolers and early Scamps have (ensolite) - then chances are you can clean it up - repaint (or recoat) it and it'll look really nice. I know several folks (myself included) have gotten trailers where the ensolite was hanging down in pieces here and there. If you wait for warm weather (I forget where you are), it'll generally glue up very nicely using construction adhesive (I tried several alternatives before resorting to that). If it looks nasty - it'll take some very aggressive treatment with typical home bathroom (Tub & Tile) cleaners meant to attack mildew. The seams can either be retaped (the choice of some) or filled with caulk (my choice). You can really leave it at that point generally if you've done a good job with the cleaning. I painted my walls because I wanted them to be white (instead of off-white) to match the closet repair I'd done. Course - that just made all the other fiberglass bits on the inside look drab... :(

mkw** from - http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/read.php...92&page=1#13458
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Old 04-21-2003, 07:40 AM   #31
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he talks about it some more here. I couldn't find the picture. Help Mike. :)
**fish for walrus???
The seam tape on my '72 Boler was more than 1/2 gone. There are replacements out there that some people have used. I personally just tore all all the seam tape, filled the gaps with white paintable caulk and moved on. I like the smoother finish anyway.

Your insulation material:
I assume it's the same foam-rubber-like material as on Bolers? If so - when you say it's in bad shape, what egg-zactly do you mean? If it's just a matter of the seams and a little (or a lot) of discolorization and dirt - I think that it would be best to clean it up and not try to replace it all.

My insulation was REALLY nasty with mildew and was also falling down in places. I glued it back up with construction adhesive (liquid nails), cleaned it well (Tilex bath and tile cleaner) and eventually repainted it all (Rustoleum's spray vinyl - it's sold for fixing up car seats and dashboards. I used it on my insulation (white). I also used the black spray vinyl on all the rubber that was looking chalky. Gave it that nice new luster.

For the insulation - between spraying the insulation WHITE and replacing a dark carpet with light (mostly white) floor tiles - the inside of the Boler was considerably brightened. Now it's just the defects in the internal fiberglass furniture (seats & dinette) that bugs me. **

rest of the story - http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/read.php?TID=1199
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Old 04-21-2003, 09:56 AM   #32
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ensolite

actually, the ensolite (foam insulation) is in very good shape - just the seams are botched. someone tried to fill them with something and did not do a very good job. i think i can finish the seams with caulk and repaint and it will look pretty good. i like the idea of using paintable silicone caulk because it's flexible and will give a little when the seams expand and contract. i intend to give the whole thing a fresh coat of paint anyway.
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Old 04-21-2003, 04:40 PM   #33
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Silicone vs. Latex Caulk

Kent:

I will be sending you those samples of the T type molding I was referring to. If regards to silicone. My advice and honest opinion is don't use any siliconized product. Use a latex caulk that is paintable. It is and will be easier to remove and repaint in the future. As an example of someone using a clear silicone on the U-Haul Camper #2 on the windows, it was extemely difficult to remove, and had yellowed with age. The silicone had to have been put in after 1997 and in little less than seven years it was a waste of someone's time as they had siliconed in between the hard rubber gasket and the window which is not where the leak originated. It should have been caulked in between the hard rubber gasket and the fiberglass of the trailer. Probably my biggest pet peeve is someone who has no idea of what they are doing. At least you are heading in the right direction.....

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Old 04-21-2003, 05:15 PM   #34
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thanks to all

thanks for the input. i'm still in the research stage - learning all i can before taking any steps. our weather has not been condusive to working outside yet and i have no garage, so i'm taking advantage of the time to pick everyone's brain and read back posts and search, search, search.

i appreciate everyone's ideas and suggestions. i can't imagine what i would do without the help of this fine group of friends. i also like to do things right and probably spend more time planning than actually doing the work. since i'm new at all this, i'm taking my time. thanks again and keep those suggestions coming....
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Old 04-21-2003, 06:50 PM   #35
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Orginally posted by Ray Horner
Probbably my biggest pet peeve is someone who has no idea of what they are doing. At least you are heading in the right direction.
:lol :lol :jester :lol :lol :shg :lol :lol

If I knowed what I was getting myself into AND what I was doing, I might notta bought the trailer. ROFLMAO ;)
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Old 04-21-2003, 08:02 PM   #36
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Typo

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Old 04-21-2003, 08:03 PM   #37
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Orginally posted by Benita

:lol :lol :jester :lol :lol :shg :lol :lol

If I knowed what I was getting myself into AND what I was doing, I might notta bought the trailer. ROFLMAO ;)
Benita: How is the ye ole FiberStream coming along!

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Old 04-21-2003, 08:35 PM   #38
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The Fiber Stream remains dormant. There are higher life priorities to be contended with at present. I'm going to check on it later this week.
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Old 04-23-2003, 08:35 AM   #39
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seams impossible.....

ok, here's what i'm talking about. this is why i don't think the t-molding will work, as much as i'd like to use it. the grey stuff feels like hardened caulk, not silicone. as ray said, the tan is adhesive from the old tape. there is also some white stuff, probably caulk also. it all looks like it was put on with a shovel and left to dry about 12 years. i think i have my work cut out for me.

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Old 04-23-2003, 11:34 PM   #40
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Ooh, Kent. that looks :sad - like a lot of work. :m wonder what possessed them to do that. :nope I wouldn't know where to start. Maybe that acetone can clean it up? it works on the outside, don't know about the inside.
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Old 04-24-2003, 04:09 PM   #41
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Suggestion

Use lacquer thinner to remove the unwanted silicone, adhesive, or whatever you call that goop that somebody aparently didn't know what to use in the seam. It should enable you to clean it up nicely. Use plenty of rags! Another good reason NOT to use any silicone products.

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Old 04-25-2003, 06:45 AM   #42
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i hear ya

ray, thanks for the tip. i will try the laquer thinner. and you have convinced me to avoid silicone caulk.

i've also decided to take out the fresh water tank and the 12-volt system, which only consists of two lights. i'm also going to take out the dinette completely and build a bed with storage under.

i bought a new wiring harness and will replace the tail lights and wiring, which is a mess anyway.

the more i look the more work need to be done. maybe i should quit looking?;)
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