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Old 05-23-2013, 02:30 PM   #1
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New Entry Door Window

Just installed my new trailer entry door window from LHC (Little House Custom, aka Larry & Debbie Gamble). It is a "drop-in" replacement for the factory installed window. Unlike the original window (with a cheap plastic frame,) this one is built like a real trailer window (with an aluminum frame.)
The only downside is that it doesn't come with a screen...Really Attwood, no screen for a $150 window? I contacted Attwood's customer service dept., via email, regarding the lack of a screen and whether I could get one for it. I received a rather snooty email reply from the third hand-off person in customer service, telling me that if I wanted a screen I should have ordered a custom window. Well, so much for customer service these days.
But, since I don't have the screen door any more, (another story,) which I had removed a long time ago, I needed a way to keep the bugs out with the window open. My solution was to make a snap-on screen cover which is removable, but can be left on too. I made it from some leather and a piece of mesh screening taken from one of those magnetic cheapo entry screens that come apart when you walk through them and re-attract to each other via magnets on the edges. My original plan was to mount this two piece screen kit over the inside of the door opening, but it didn't lend itself well to being configured to the opening, so I cannibalized a chunk of it for my project.
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Old 05-23-2013, 02:40 PM   #2
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Nice work Greg! I honestly don't know how some of these people accomplish anything. Some customers are impossible to please, but it seems a lot of "customer-service" people act like any inquiry is harassment. Glad you have the skill and creativity to make things from stuff you already have.

Is there a groove in the frame for a screen, or would it be a totally different frame profile if you ordered it with one?
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Old 05-23-2013, 03:16 PM   #3
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Kevin,
That's the ironic part. It has the exact same channel for a screen that all the other windows have, which is why I can't understand their logic, (or lack thereof,) for not including a lousy $5 screen on a $150 window. They give you screens on every other openable trailer/rv window I've ever seen, so why not this one. Not everyone who has a door with a window also have screen doors behind them. I just think it's short-sighted on their part. They could at least offer it as an option, but they pooh-poohed me off, which tells me they just don't care much about customer service. I even offered to pay for one and they still shined me on.
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That looks like a real smart solution, Greg, but if you ever decide you'd rather have a rigid "half-screen" for that opening pane:

It's pretty easy to "build-yer-own" screen...I've done it a few times using one-dollar throwaways from the local used building supply yard. The problem in this case is of course the radius corners, but as you may well guess Miss Do-It-On-The-Cheap here has that one figured out, too.

Here's a link to a wide variety of such corners, including some by the fabled "Hehr", supplier of most RV windows even today.

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Thanks Francesca,
I did in fact visit that site, (and countless others,) in my desperate search for components to build my own. I did see the radius screen corners and thought that would be just the ticket, but I couldn't figure out which one would be the right size and have the proper radius to fit. They don't really provide a lot of info other than show the shapes the items that they picture. If somebody knows the specific model of those corners which fits these EDWIN (Atwood) windows, that would be the ticket.
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Hmmm...

I admit to being a complete moron when it comes to engineering-type things, but...isn't a radius forty-five degree angle still forty five degrees, except with a curve in the middle? Are some "fatter" than others or something?

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Yes, but the arc of the radius is what I can't find info on. They could be 2", 4" 6", etc, or any nominal dimension in between, all of which would affect whether it would nest into the window channel. Yes, they all will give you a 90 degree angle, but the tightness of the radius is what I need to determine before I can buy them. I don't know what sizes they offer because they don't provide enough info..
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Probably either 2.5" or 3" radius. You can print their template and check, PDF here. They do say it's for the rough opening, since you just installed it you should be able to guesstimate it. Not that there's anything wrong with your solution, but my curiosity would be fired up about now and I'd at least find out what the deal is with the elusive screen. What model # is on the window? Is it branded Atwood?

Just quickly browsing through their site, didn't see mention of screens anywhere in the "instant price" process. Wonder if the owners have any idea that they're shooting themselves in the foot both with a terrible website and surly employees, or if they care. I realize all businesses are going to have problems, it's how they deal with the problem that gets my repeat business and word-of-mouth advertising.
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Thanks for the explanation on the arc of the radius, Greg- I'm up to speed now.

My curiosity's certainly up...if you're so inclined, please do post the actual radius of the window you're trying to match.

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The rough opening in the door takes a 3" radius, which is what these Atwood EDWIN replacement windows have. But the Hehr website, (for all the DYI components,) doesn't give any dimensional data on their products, just a part number and a price, so I don't know at this time which specific part number corner sections would meet my needs. They all have a 90 degree radius, but no size info.
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Great idea Greg! Looks very neat. Surprised Attwood doesn't offer a screen. My old Scamp has a screen on its door window. But funny I seem to recall reading here that Scamp doesnt even offer an opening door window any more.
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The rough opening in the door takes a 3" radius, which is what these Atwood EDWIN replacement windows have. But the Hehr website, (for all the DYI components,) doesn't give any dimensional data on their products, just a part number and a price, so I don't know at this time which specific part number corner sections would meet my needs. They all have a 90 degree radius, but no size info.
Does it automatically follow that the radius of the screen "track" would be the same as the rough cut, or might it measure different?

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A few of the radius corners at the link I posted earlier do give radius of the part- I think the "biggest" is 2.5, though....

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I believe that the radius of the screen itself would have to be smaller than the radius of the rough opening for the window itself. It stands to reason that, since the windows are mounted inside the frame, that they must be smaller in dimension than the outside edge of the frame.
Holding the circle template, the outside of the window is 3" radius. When I printed and held up the template to the channel that the screen would have to nest into, it is significantly smaller than even the 2.5" radius of the template.

I went out and traced the screen channel out on a piece of paper, and then took a compass and checked the radius of the screen track, which measures out to a 1 1/2" radius.
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Dang! The closest thing to that (listed) is 1.812, more than a quarter inch off.

To borrow from...somebody : Lemme give ya a hypothetical:

The radius-corner screen on my Trillium only covers the opening half of the window, so only has two radius corners- the top is of course just square.

If this is similar to the arrangement contemplated for the Atwood window, do you think it would be possible to monkey with the dimensions of the screen so as to make that 1/4 inch difference at the two low corners insignificant? Might it just disappear into the track?

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