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Old 10-28-2012, 05:37 AM   #29
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Should look cool. Are you painting it first? I make up my mind that I'm going to paint mine then I go over and see all that black trim/edging riveted on. In my opinion that has to come off to do a quality job with a color change, but drilling out all those rivets, ugh!


Also how did you take the strips off without scratching the gelcoat?
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:24 AM   #30
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Also how did you take the strips off without scratching the gelcoat?
Probably the easiest and fastest would be to use a decal eraser: Removing Stripes
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:25 AM   #31
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Looks interesting. There is actually a chemical "stripe" remover also. You rough up the stripe surface (like you would when you remove wallpaper) and spray it on, let it sit and after several minutes scrape it off with a plastic scrapper. Still a lot of work. I think I'll start out with the heat gun and proceed from there.
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Old 10-28-2012, 10:20 PM   #32
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Should look cool. Are you painting it first? I make up my mind that I'm going to paint mine then I go over and see all that black trim/edging riveted on. In my opinion that has to come off to do a quality job with a color change, but drilling out all those rivets, ugh!


Also how did you take the strips off without scratching the gelcoat?
No paint, just not in the budget. I'm going to be in this thing for $6k before I'm done, as it is. I'm going to sand down where the old decals were to get rid of as much ghosting as possible, slap the new decals on, and floor wax it.

I used a 3m stripe off wheel to take the decals off. Worked great, one will probably do 20 trailers. It kills cordless drill batteries. The chuck on my big corded drill has the teeth to far inside the chuck to grab the arbor for the wheel, so I was stuck using the cordless drills. Even with 2 30 minute chargers, I was waiting.

I got the other side off today, she's naked as a jaybird:



There's some touch up spots, remove the propane tanks and spare and do around them, then glue on new buttons for the rivets. Hopefully I'll have all that done and be ready to put decals on, the new electric/water panels, and floor wax it this weekend, we'll see.
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Old 10-29-2012, 06:35 AM   #33
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Have you seen how the newer Scamp 19's have their propane tanks and battery mounted inside of the landing gear? A welder and a bit of steel, not much to it. All in all a much nicer setup. Makes you feel a bit less like a bomb driving down the highway.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:16 AM   #34
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Have you seen how the newer Scamp 19's have their propane tanks and battery mounted inside of the landing gear? A welder and a bit of steel, not much to it. All in all a much nicer setup. Makes you feel a bit less like a bomb driving down the highway.
I thought about that. The problem is, I think it will cut down too much clearance for turning. I'll have to get the lift/axle under the camper, to see where that ends up first. Then I'll have to break out the tape measure and see how to make the new kingpin box on the trailer. I want to keep it as close to the truck as possible. I have to buy the fifth wheel hitch first, also. The companion fifth wheel hitch mounts into my gooseneck hitch. I need to get that to see what the height, and distance forward of the axle end up being. The gooseneck is 4" in front of the axle, IIRC. I think the hitch on the camper is going to have to come forward quite a ways, we'll see. If so, I'll put a platform up there for a future generator/storage/etc.

I'm hoping to get the decals/rivet caps (just gluing them on, not taking time to drill/replace all the rivets right now)floor polish done by the end of this coming weekend.

The weekend after will be the axle/and making a new hitch box, so it's a real fifth wheel.

The axle should be here by this weekend, one set of lights is coming friday, the wheels should be here by friday (holding off on tires to see if I can squeeze 225/75/15's under it), and I'm hoping the interior bullet lights/fresh/city water fillers, and new electrical panel will be coming also.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:59 AM   #35
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Nice! Sounds like you are moving right along. They actually make an adapter, some homemade and at least one commercial to make these bumper pulls. Not that I would want one but the pin weight on these is so low that they can be mounted "behind" the axle on the TV instead of on or before it. It sure would be nice if you didn't have to alter the hitch. I took an old Reece 5th hitch, took off the swiveling plate, sheared off the lobes that held it on and then bolted a 5/8 piece of steel across it. The holes were already in the top of the hitch I just had a guy drill them out and center a hole in the steel for a 2" ball. Works like a charm and I can pull it out or put it in whenever.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:27 PM   #36
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I see by your first post that "The previous owner made a receiver" setup for this trailer, converting it to a bumper pull. Do you have any idea as to the weight at the ball with that arrangement?
Also can you post some pics showing that setup? I can't see the details in the (below) pic you posted earlier.



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I want to alter the hitch. It greatly annoys me that they used some stupid proprietary setup. If they wanted to go the lightweight route, they should have just made it a real gooseneck, IMHO. I want a standard setup that any vehicle (with a fifth wheel, of course) can pull, especially if I have highway trouble.

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I see by your first post that "The previous owner made a receiver" setup for this trailer, converting it to a bumper pull. Do you have any idea as to the weight at the ball with that arrangement?
Also can you post some pics showing that setup? I can't see the details in the (below) pic you posted earlier.

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I have no idea what the tongue weight is like that. My pickup didn't care in the slightest, even with the ball that far back. It can't be too much. I'll try to remember to take some pics this afternoon. If somebody used a setup like that, they would have to be careful if the camper is lower than their tailgate. It's possible to turn sharp enough going forward to put the camper into my tailgate. It makes tight turns a bit of a pain.

I got some more goodies from rvdirect.com, and some butyl and sealant from the local camper place.



Time to make it a little more modern...

The fifth wheel hitch for the pickup is on order, also.
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If I finally decide to paint mine I'm moving all the crap to the drivers side where it belongs. I hate getting into a spot and then having to run the water and power under the trailer before I can plug it in. I'm also going with the removable plug and twist but I'm just buying the ends and using my cable, much cheaper and no reason to toss a good cable. Actually it looks like you are going with just the ends also, unless there is a cable in there somewhere.

Francesca, not positive but I believe the hitch weight is approx 400 lbs. I think it is listed on the Scamp website. It's more than a bumper pull but far far less than a typical 5'er.
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Francesca, not positive but I believe the hitch weight is approx 400 lbs. I think it is listed on the Scamp website.
According to Frederick's Trailer Weights in the Real World, Scamp hitch weight is between 480-700 lbs
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Old 10-31-2012, 06:18 AM   #40
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Mine is going to weigh more than most when I put the dual deep cycle batteries up front and the queen size memory foam mattress in my bunk conversion. LOL! That thing is tremendously heavy but worth it.

PS here is a link to Scamp 19' specs per the factory:

http://www.scamptrailers.com/Showroo...fications.aspx
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Francesca, not positive but I believe the hitch weight is approx 400 lbs. I think it is listed on the Scamp website. It's more than a bumper pull but far far less than a typical 5'er.
I should have been clearer- I know what the pin weight is with the ordinary fifth wheel hitch on a Scamp...

I wondered about the hitch weight of this particular modification...the weight of the added tongue alone must amount to extra poundage. And does moving the pivot point (trailer wheels) so far back have any effect???

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Actually it looks like you are going with just the ends also, unless there is a cable in there somewhere.

Francesca, not positive but I believe the hitch weight is approx 400 lbs. I think it is listed on the Scamp website. It's more than a bumper pull but far far less than a typical 5'er.
Yep, I'm using the old cable. I had the same thoughts as you, plus this comes with a waterproof connection for the cord at the outlet box, anyway. I didn't even know these were on the wrong side. I'll leave them as is though, I don't want to deal with filling holes in fiberglass right now. Good info though, I might have to plan for a longer cord.

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I should have been clearer- I know what the pin weight is with the ordinary fifth wheel hitch on a Scamp...

I wondered about the hitch weight of this particular modification...the weight of the added tongue alone must amount to extra poundage. And does moving the pivot point (trailer wheels) so far back have any effect???

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I would say it weighs about 40-ish pounds or so. It does put more leverage since it's further back, so it will act like more than the actual tongue weight. It wasn't an issue at all on the titan, though.

Here's a picture of the hitch, the chains and boomers/binders are to triangulate it to the bumper.



The ups man handed me graphics just as I was about to start replacing the water panels, so I got one of them on.



I'm off to the vinyl shop with the other one to see if they can whip up some matching scamp decals.
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