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Old 11-02-2015, 08:55 PM   #57
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Oh, we did notice some condensation with the electric heater going and the outside temps in the 30s/40s at night...seems that the condensation may have caused the glue under the foam insulation to release from the fiberglass in places. We coated both the insulation and the inside shell with the contact cement, waited 15 minutes then applied with pressure...so the condensation is the only thing I can think of that caused it not to stick, unless maybe we applied the wrong side to the shell, we left the foil side facing in so we could glue the headliner to it but maybe the plastic on the other side cant hold adequately...may try some reflectix but really wanted to use the foam sheets all over for not only better insulation but also noise reduction...
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Old 11-09-2015, 08:25 AM   #58
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Latest update...we took the camper this weekend for our 3rd outing in extreme northern NC at Satterwhite Point on Kerr Lake. This is a beautiful place and we will likely return in the spring or summer. The campground was very nice with electric & water hookups but no sewer but they did have a dump station. Most of the sites were right on the water including ours. We stayed Friday night but Saturday it started to pour and was forecast to rain all day and with a small leak in the rebuilt Jalousie window on the door side we opted to get a room for Saturday night.

Anyway, since the window I rebuilt is still leaking, I am thinking of replacing both the side Jalousie windows with the new style round corner sliding windows. I will start my hunt for these this week, but that means I will have to do more fiberglass work to round the corners of the window openings which I am not looking forward to.

I also have a small drip in the riser I made for the vent due to the fact that I used Bondo (and it has cracked exposing the wood) instead of Marine epoxy to seal the outside of the layers of plywood. So I will be rebuilding the riser and will use the PC-11 epoxy this time, maybe with some fiberglass resin underneath to ensure no leaks.

And the last thing is the bed issue, which is to narrow for me & my wife to sleep comfortably so I am trying to figure out a way to widen the bed to the full width of the dinette seats and still have the ability to use it as a dinette, though we are strongly considering making it a permanent bed. Even though about completely rebuilding it and making a goucho on the back wall that would slide out to a large bed, not sure if that will work for us or not but it would definitely make it more roomy in goucho mode....

Other than that every thing else is pretty good including our shower/bath (though we may reverse the way the door slides open)...hot water heater works great, shower curtain needs a little work.

Thinking about using curtain rods on top and bottow of windows to keep the curtains against the windows for better privacy, which may mean wife has to work on them a little.

Oh, and last but not least we got a hitch on our 07 Kia Sedonna and 3 new tires from Firestone on the Boler and it towed great! No swaying or anything at highway speeds of 70 MPH on I-85...

More to come later!
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Old 11-09-2015, 12:30 PM   #59
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13' Boler, 6 people, plus toilet & Shower?

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Okay, we are newbies here, me & my wife just purchased our first camper trailer, a 13' 1971 Boler. Wife wouldn't camp without a shower & toilet, so we started looking. I have always liked the Scamps & we found a Boler for sale locally and the price was right & we got it.

After getting it home and deciding what to fix up to make it our own & suitable for our needs we discovered a few problems that needed addressing and decided to do them now:

1. Roof mounted AC poorly installed, leaking seal & rotten plywood, roof sagging, & fiberglass piece was cut out & re-patched.
2. Poor patch jobs to fiberglass where fridge & vents used to be
3. Musty smell from moisture behind wall covering, leaks from rivets, windows, etc.
4. Door sagging, needs resealing
5. Battery storage area under dinette needs to be relocated to trailer tongue
6. Improvements needed to 110v and 12vdc electrical system
7. Leveling scissor jacks needed

And of course, there are the things we want to change/add to it:
1. Add a toilet & shower
2. Redo the floor covering
3. Paint or recover walls/ceiling
4. Repaint cabinets, seats, bed fixtures
5. New seat cushions/covers, drapes, etc.
6. Solar panels/inverter/charger

Okay, since we are doing the repairs in the first list we might as well tackle our wants now...so I have come up with a redesign of the interior to allow for a shower & toilet & still allow for sleeping of up to 6 people...with a sink, microwave, refrigerator, and 1 or 2 burner electric cooktop. I will post a picture of the layout...

So I figure I will set up this camper for both AC power & water hookup and battery/solar only. No propane except for coleman camping stove using small propane bottles outside of trailer. Inside we will use a 1 or 2 burner hotplate for a cooktop ($11 to $20 at Fred's). Solar shower ($9 Coleman @ Walmart) if no water hookup, electric water heater if AC is available (still searching). Porta pottie for a toilet (got it - Bass Pro $45 on clearance), a utility sink ($50 Lowe's open box) as our "shower pan" with a shower curtain and a PVC frame for the curtain. Sink cabinet is coming out to make room for double bunk/couch, closet is being replaced with a custom cabinet to hold small sink, smallest micro we can find with a rotating plate & 1 or 2 storable electric cooktop (hot plate) and small ac/dc fridge to go under the bottom bunk. Freshwater holding tank also under bottom bunk (using collapsible gray water container under trailer/stored when not needed) Will also have a platform/riser that will allow a twin bunk on the floor with leg room under the double bed/dinette. And if we needed a sixth bed we could make a small removable bunk above the dinette for a small child.

Now our biggest dilemma has been what to redo the walls with...after a lot of looking & reading here, trips to home depot & lowes, we finally found a sewing store (hancock fabrics) that has tons of auto headliner cheap! And they also have a good selection of affordable vinyl. With their coupons we will get an even better deal! Now neither of these have much for insulation, so we found a vinyl laminate that would work and be very close to the original rubber wall covering but a lot nicer looking, but too expensive for our budget. Plus the auto headliner or white vinyl should conform easier to the curves and domed corners. The vinyl can be washed but the cloth headliner is appealing so we are on the fence. As for insulation under this, we found 1/8" closed cell above ground pool wall foam at Home Depot at a great price ($48.99 for 48" x 85' ft roll) with a roll big enough to do the whole interior.

As you can see, I am very resourceful and very frugal... Now as we work on these things we are looking at the appliances to find great deals and low power consumption for when we are "off the grid"...

Glad to be here & looking forward to your ideas & comments!
: plus all the other facilities to be able to live inside on a wet cold windy week?
Why in the world did you not go for a 17' Boler which already has a shower, toilet etc. and all the facilities?
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Old 11-09-2015, 01:23 PM   #60
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: plus all the other facilities to be able to live inside on a wet cold windy week?
Why in the world did you not go for a 17' Boler which already has a shower, toilet etc. and all the facilities?
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Okay Stude good question! Well I got a little over zealous with the 6 people lol, but it works well for our family of 3 and we could sleep more if we had too...but anyway, we don't see that many fiberglass rv's for sale in our area and the ones we do see are usually out of our price range that we were comfortable spending on a used camper. This one was bought at a very good price (well less than $2K), and was campable but we just wanted to make it ours and I love projects...not to mention it is as old as I am so that was appealing to me for some unknown reason

I have always tent camped but my wife hasn't unless you count a hotel room lol, and she said she would only camp if it had a shower & toilet so here we are... Anyway, I don't really care about cooking inside a 13' camper or even a 16' for numerous reasons but we did want a fridge to keep stuff cold and place to store food & utensils. I love cooking over an open campfire or grill, so the kitchen was not really needed, and we keep a Rubbermaid container that has our coffee maker and an electric griddle in it and a camp stove with 2 pans so we can cook outside under our canopy if it is raining...
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After pricing the cost of new radius windows and after talking with several places about the jalousie windows I have decided to stay with the Jalousie windows and fix the leak, will post a new thread on the topic of fixing the leaking window...
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Old 03-11-2016, 11:33 AM   #62
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Haven't been on here for a while or working on our Boler as work & family has kept me busy and limited shop space makes working in the winter a hassle...but with spring here I am tackling the rebuild of our dinette into a permanent bed as well as rebuilding our son's bunk and modifying the a/c under his bunk at the same time. I also have to raise up the water fill a couple of inches so the tank will fill to capacity. Me & the wife found a nice red toaster oven which should go nicely with our red/white theme. Also will tackle the riser for our roof vent since the bondo coating separated last summer. Then we should be able to finally finish the interior insulation and headliner installation. Oh yeah, got to finish the interior of the door...I plan on posting some pics once I finish out the bunks...also I have the fiberglass fixtures that I am not using available in a separate post if anyone wants them...I plan on building the upper rear and drivers side cabinets later too but for now I am keeping those two...
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Re Ekectric cooking Utensils

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Okay Stude good question! Well I got a little over zealous with the 6 people lol, but it works well for our family of 3 and we could sleep more if we had too...but anyway, we don't see that many fiberglass rv's for sale in our area and the ones we do see are usually out of our price range that we were comfortable spending on a used camper. This one was bought at a very good price (well less than $2K), and was campable but we just wanted to make it ours and I love projects...not to mention it is as old as I am so that was appealing to me for some unknown reason

I have always tent camped but my wife hasn't unless you count a hotel room lol, and she said she would only camp if it had a shower & toilet so here we are... Anyway, I don't really care about cooking inside a 13' camper or even a 16' for numerous reasons but we did want a fridge to keep stuff cold and place to store food & utensils. I love cooking over an open camp-fire or grill, so the kitchen was not really needed, and we keep a Rubber-maid container that has our coffee maker and an electric griddle in it and a camp stove with 2 pans so we can cook outside under our canopy if it is raining...
: so I assume you pack a small Generator to operate the coffee pot, toaster oven, electric frying pan, or do u pay the camp-ground fees of $50 a night? If I can help it we never stay in a Camp-ground, we try everything else to Boon-dock and put the $50 a night into the gas tank.
we have a Gen set of just cook on the propane stove and if want toast put the fry-pan same place throw the bread in and turn it when ready and do other side while it is going we butter it and slam the jam on when done.
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: plus all the other facilities to be able to live inside on a wet cold windy week?
Why in the world did you not go for a 17' Boler which already has a shower, toilet etc. and all the facilities?
Stude
: shower could be made to work on outside of trailer. Have you ever seen the small grow-op units they measure about 4'square and 6'high, one side has a zipper to open and close just have a on/off switch on the shower head when ready, and there u have a shower Stick some way to hang your 20L bucket up so that the water flows freely down and you get your shower.
When I was in the bush it worked great even in the middle of winter though in winter you really have to fast as hot water freezes quickly, once done roll in the snow then go back in and sit in front of the stove to warm up and dry off as I have now turned to ice. Joe's probably sells them to that way the shower is not taking up space.
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: so I assume you pack a small Generator to operate the coffee pot, toaster oven, electric frying pan, or do u pay the camp-ground fees of $50 a night? If I can help it we never stay in a Camp-ground, we try everything else to Boon-dock and put the $50 a night into the gas tank.
we have a Gen set of just cook on the propane stove and if want toast put the fry-pan same place throw the bread in and turn it when ready and do other side while it is going we butter it and slam the jam on when done.
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Well we did stay in a nice rv park in the fall that had full hookups but most of our camping will most likely be in state parks or national parks...many of which have electric/water with dump station or full hookups...some for less than $20 a night...our converter is a 30 amp unit so we can run our a/c, refrigerator, the toaster oven without a problem and still be able to charge phones, use led lights and a small tv...the toaster oven is mainly for inclement weather for heating up a pizza or something but for the most part all of our cooking will be done outdoors by either our Coleman propane stove, portable charcoal grill or campfire...at some point when I am done with the restoration/mods I plan to add solar power, inverter and a couple of golf cart batteries but first things first....
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: shower could be made to work on outside of trailer. Have you ever seen the small grow-op units they measure about 4'square and 6'high, one side has a zipper to open and close just have a on/off switch on the shower head when ready, and there u have a shower Stick some way to hang your 20L bucket up so that the water flows freely down and you get your shower.
When I was in the bush it worked great even in the middle of winter though in winter you really have to fast as hot water freezes quickly, once done roll in the snow then go back in and sit in front of the stove to warm up and dry off as I have now turned to ice. Joe's probably sells them to that way the shower is not taking up space.
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Not many 17' Bolers or hardly any fbgrv's in our area on the used market at the time we got ours or in our budget and we found our 13' for a bargain even with the work we have done...Scamp makes a 13' with a bath so I figured I could do the same but I like our mod's floor plan better because we can have the bath and still sleep 3 to 4, I will sacrifice the kitchenette for that...and the closet area now serves as a kitchenette of sorts with a fridge with storage above and below and the small toaster oven will go above the fridge also...we considered the shower tent thing but there is something to be said for the convenience of being able to shower in your rig...especially if it is below 60 degrees outside or the mosquitoes are swarming...
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Old 03-12-2016, 02:30 AM   #67
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Well we did stay in a nice rv park in the fall that had full hookups but most of our camping will most likely be in state parks or national parks...many of which have electric/water with dump station or full hookups...some for less than $20 a night...our converter is a 30 amp unit so we can run our a/c, refrigerator, the toaster oven without a problem and still be able to charge phones, use led lights and a small tv...the toaster oven is mainly for inclement weather for heating up a pizza or something but for the most part all of our cooking will be done outdoors by either our Coleman propane stove, portable charcoal grill or campfire...at some point when I am done with the restoration/mods I plan to add solar power, inverter and a couple of golf cart batteries but first things first....
: through experience we install a 100W panel with a 1000W inverter and 2x12VBatteries in anything we have owned and it works perfect for charging batteries, computers, phones, CPap Machine, etc. etc. the 100W gives back 5.5amps at the peak of day then slowly cuts back to about 2amps keeping it all charged while we sleep.
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The only things I plan to run on batteries is led lights, water pump when needed, a cell charger or two, and our small refrigerator using an inverter but I don't think I will need 1000 watts for that...the toaster oven would only be used when we have electric hookup and probably wouldn't get a lot of use...
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The only things I plan to run on batteries is led lights, water pump when needed, a cell charger or two, and our small refrigerator using an inverter but I don't think I will need 1000 watts for that...the toaster oven would only be used when we have electric hookup and probably wouldn't get a lot of use...
: talk to the Solar store and they will tell u what u want to know they are the experts not me, I just let you know what I use, which are 12V deep Cycle marine batteries and the 100W solar panel so when boondocking and not going to use my Gen set as it likes gas almost as much as the MH does the 100W keeps my batteries charged and I can sit in the desert until the Black water tank needs dumping then I find a Dump station then head back into the hills and relax some more.
Take Nevada there are so many places to pull off the road and park same goes for Utah.
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progress on the permanent bed

This weekend I made some progress on converting our dinette/bed combo into a permanent and wider bed. Previously the width of the bed was about 6 inches or so narrower than the width of the dinette benches as the previous owner made the table that way and rounded the corners, now the bed is a full 48" wide at its widest point (the center). This change gives us considerably more amount of sleeping room and plenty of storage space underneath and will allow for us to store some larger items that would not fit through the dinette seat storage openings, which will have both cabinet door access as well as a hinged top lid under the mattress...since I was doing away with the fiberglass dinette fixtures I decided to do the same with the lower bunk for our son and relocated the converter box with a cabinet door for easy access to the storage area for the shore power cord. I also redesigned the a/c duct at the same time and recessing it back a little under the lower bunk to eliminate kicking it while sitting on the lower bunk/sofa...I think this is going to turn out nice...also posted a couple of pics of our vertical kitchenette cabinet for the fridge & oven and also of the nearly completed bath that I didn't get around to posting last fall...more to come

Also, in the first couple of pictures you will notice a red flexible ruler that my wife got me for Christmas which I got to put to use and it made easy work of cutting the curved wood for the beds and was a near perfect fit...wish I had this tool last year!
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