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Old 09-02-2012, 04:03 PM   #15
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Per Jim's advice, I recently purchased the surge guard model. It is a great test, pre-camp setup.

Jim, Where did you get the7-pin protector, and the gutters? I would like to install one on our casita.

We are planning to attend the October Rally so I will talk to you more about things, after this week of camping we hope to make some mods to our Casita and get something larger.....

Consider me in line for this 19 as well if you ever sell.

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Old 09-02-2012, 05:32 PM   #16
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There's nothing wrong with insurance. It can make you feel comfortable. I do get a flu shot every year.

It seems that many of today's electrical components are naturally immune to over and under voltage.

For example, the AC electric portion of must refrigerators and electric hot water heaters are simply heating elements and probably could care less about over or under voltage. Ditto for electric heaters.

The only item of significance left is the TV and computers. I suspect that all of them have an input switching supply that protects them from anything short of a lightening strike. To protect our computers we generally only charge them when we're around in case of a superious lightening strike while away.

The remaining item in our trailer is the converter that we rarely use because of a solar panel. I suspect that it also easily can withstand any thing short of a lightening strike.

For me the purpose of a device like this would be to protect against lightening and not over or under voltage.

In our 11 years of RVing amounting to well over 2500 nights on the road, we have never had an electrical issue.

On second thought, as I get ready to send this, probably the moxt vulnerable component is the air conditioner. It would not like undervoltage.
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Old 09-02-2012, 06:25 PM   #17
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"On second thought, as I get ready to send this, probably the moxt vulnerable component is the air conditioner. It would not like undervoltage."
Particularly if you are away from your rv and you fail to take action, your a/c can burn up real fast in your absence. These EMS work and would turn off the electric if it falls too low.
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Old 09-04-2012, 01:27 AM   #18
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It just so happens that AdventureRV is having a sale on that portable Surge Guard:

Portable Surge Guard 120V 30 Amp - $219.79

This price of $219 is about $60 less than Amazon.com.

You can also pick up a 25' extension cord for about $26 to secure the Surge Guard in your trailer.

As I said this is a great investment for those who have appliances or electronics that may be harmed from power problems at the campground. This is a very good price for an excellent product.
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:45 AM   #19
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It just so happens that AdventureRV is having a sale on that portable Surge Guard:

Portable Surge Guard 120V 30 Amp - $219.79

This price of $219 is about $60 less than Amazon.com.

You can also pick up a 25' extension cord for about $26 to secure the Surge Guard in your trailer.

As I said this is a great investment for those who have appliances or electronics that may be harmed from power problems at the campground. This is a very good price for an excellent product.

Just wondering why do you need an extension cord to hook up the surge guard ? And is there any problem using a less expensive unit like this?http://tweetys.com/30-amp---portable...ty-tester.aspx
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:04 AM   #20
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Hi Tim:

No problem with the EMS SSP-30 but according to the specs it won't act as a breaker in over- and under-voltage conditions. (I assume that under-voltage current is equivalent to a "brownout." I don't know what over-voltage would equate to in the vernacular, maybe a protracted "spike" or surge.)

My very brief investigation tells me that the options are: 1) a 25$ line tester that indicates reversed polarity and open neutral. Or learn to use the multimeter to test.

2) The "hundred dollar" variety such as the SSP-30 which detects the above conditions and on that basis controls whether the juice flows.

3) A TRS pigtail type similar to the EM SSP-30 which in addition to the above breaks the circuit in reaction to over-current condition but not to under for a few dollars more (the "hundred-fifty dollar" variety).

4) The "two hundred dollar" type which reacts to all the undesirable conditions above and also to under-current condition. Cheapest of these I've seen is the Surge Guard #34520 available eBay and Tweety's $200+. This is a hard-wired rather than pigtail unit so has to be spliced in between your shore power cord and your 120VAC main breaker. Most of these units are really three hundred dollars +. Advantage over the "at the pole" pigtail type is that these aren't so susceptible to theft.

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CORRECTION TO ABOVE: the 30amp model SSM-30 is manufactured by Progressive Industries rather than EMS. Sorry
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:02 PM   #21
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Just wondering why do you need an extension cord to hook up the surge guard ? And is there any problem using a less expensive unit like this?Progressive Industries 30 Amp Portable Surge Protector from tweetys.com

Because this is a [relatively expensive] portable devise that is susceptible to theft. You can protect it from theft in 2 ways:
  • a plastic box manufactured by Surge Guard surrounds the devise at the hookup pole. It costs between $21 -$27. But online reviews of this product indicates that it is cheaply made and can easily be broken apart.
  • an extension cord which will reach from the pole to your trailer's cabin via the battery cubby hole. You can hook up the extension cord to the surge protector and the surge protector to you power cable. Since your surge protector is locked inside your trailer, it is less likely to be stolen. As far as a potential thief can tell, the extension cord is your power cable. A 25' cord costs around $25-$27.

There was a thread regarding the ideal length for an extension cord. It was concluded that 25' is the maximum length before quality of the current is compromised. (I'm not being scientific, but that was the gist of the discussion).

Based on that thread, I got a 25' cord. And that length has always been more than enough to reach any power source.

If you are not worried about theft at the camp grounds you frequent, than you can hook up directly and save yourself $25.

Another option is to have a wired in surge protector. But that has disadvantages for the smaller trailers. So, I opted for the extension cord.
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Sorry if I missed it, but what is a "EMS"? What do the letters stand for?
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Sorry if I missed it, but what is a "EMS"? What do the letters stand for?
"Energy Management System"
http://www.rvupgradestore.com/Progre...p/emshw50c.htm
here is the 30 amp link
http://www.progressiveindustries.net/ems_hw30c.htm
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Thanks to Jack & Jane for your replies back with info, both make good sense. Jane that still is a very good price for a 25' extension cord.
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Per Jim's advice, I recently purchased the surge guard model. It is a great test, pre-camp setup.

Jim, Where did you get the7-pin protector, and the gutters? I would like to install one on our casita.

We are planning to attend the October Rally so I will talk to you more about things, after this week of camping we hope to make some mods to our Casita and get something larger.....

Consider me in line for this 19 as well if you ever sell.

Don and Brenda
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Here is the 7 way plug protector site
Plug-Guard : Plug Guard : The original patented Plug-Guard : Plug-Guard™ : 7-way Plug-Guard™ : 6-way Plug-Guard™ : 4 & 5-way Plug-Guard™
the gutters came from CW
See you guys next month......
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[QUOTE=Jane P.;331660]It just so happens that AdventureRV is having a sale on that portable Surge Guard:

Portable Surge Guard 120V 30 Amp - $219.79

This price of $219 is about $60 less than Amazon.com.

You can also pick up a 25' extension cord for about $26 to secure the Surge Guard in your trailer.
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I know this is an ancient thread, but I was worried about theft of the almost $300 EMS I've bought. I found this thingy that, although the cable can be cut ~ if it is ~ a loud alarm will sound. Also has a vibration sensor that sets off the alarm! (Haven't seen them discussed on this site)

In the Amazon reviews, it's said to be quite sensitive, too. So, just jiggling it to cut it or to remove the batteries will set it off. Cable is 31" long, and I'm going to get one and wrap it around the EMS, through the "locking bracket" and feel a little safer.

QUESTION: Is there an issue with removing the EMS if we leave the trailer during the day??? (total newbie here)

This is an eBay link, but Amazon has them for a little over $26. Yeham Anti-cut Burglary Digital Lock With Alarm for Bicycle Motorcycle Lawn Door | eBay
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