Originally Posted by honda03842
Carol, I was trying to write about the fact that many small cars have relatively low tongue weights. As a result those that tow need to pay attention to the tongue weight. <cut> I mentioned Subaru, as well as our CRV, because the Subaru is frequently used as a tow vehicle. You had recently mentioned that it is a consideration for your loading of your Scamp, indicating that you pay attention as well.
I do indeed watch the tongue weight as I do my trailers axle
weight and what I load into my tug as well - for the simple reason I like to stay within or as close as possible to all my tugs tow specs. I am not the only one here that does regardless of what they tow with.
Look around, you will find many tugs with higher tow caps that also have tongue rating caps that do not equal 10% of their total tow cap. That's not a situation unique to small tow vehicles. The lower one keeps the trailers axle
weight the higher the % that can be achieve on the tongue without going over the tugs tongue specs. My trailer tows more solidly in all tow conditions if I can keep the tongue in the 10% range -especially if I am going to be traveling at its tires
max rating of 65 mph in hilly areas. That means I need to watch my axle
weight and reduce what I put in the trailer and sometimes if I have the trailer really loaded up, I do need to move a gear box I keep in the trailer ahead of the axle to get the tongue weight up and doing that does sometimes result in the tongue weight going over spec by between 20-40lbs - depending on how far forward I put it. But its not under all conditions/situations and when I do I make sure I'm not carry much in the back of the tug (although I don't normally anyways). Regardless the total trailer weight is still a couple of hundred under the total tow cap of the Subaru and the total allowable gross rating is well under as well.
I am not happy about sometimes having to go over the tongue rating even though some would suggest its not really a big enough amount over or frequency to really worry about. As a result my next tug will have a higher rating all the way around. I am just not able to let my imagination run wild enough to think that my car was the same as the one sold in Europe or that I am actually towing in Europe - wish I could as that would mean that I could toss another 150 lbs or more on the tongue
My inability to go to that make believe situation is why I openly suggest to people wanting to towing a fiberglass trailer with a Subaru that they stick to a 13' so they never have to be as watchful of all the weights as I am with a light
Sway bars are as its been said a nice insurance policy to have. But if one is running at a very low % of tongue weight and adding water or additional storage to the rear of the trailer to achieve that tongue rating , then IMHO its a good bet the sway bar is doing more than just waiting for use as an emergency panic stop insurance policy. I personally would rather know without any artificial devices added to the mix that the trailer is towing stable & straight.
Bottom line is you and I both clearly have different towing practises and will never agree on what is or isn't a safe practice. The Subaru and the CRV have equally as different towing specs so there is little point or value in the comparison of either of them as well. If the car could speak I have a hunch it would say it doesn't appreciate any attempts to be tossed under the same bus in regards to your towing practises anymore than I personally do.