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Old 04-22-2013, 09:30 PM   #29
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Hi Donna
A hat is definately in order. I need to keep the few gray ones I have left. I did a test piece today with a old piece of ensolite from a Boler I once had. I tried to tear it off to see how well the subsurface is. I just ripped the edges off when pulling it . I had to scrape the piece off. So test was a success this led to finishing the dismantle and I pulled the roof vent off and the small side window and front window and awning. The pictures are of ensolite test piece with ripped edges and pictures of vent and windows removed. tomorrow final vacuum and wipe down and general cleanup then Wednesday afternoon the ceiling piece goes in.
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Old 04-25-2013, 10:29 AM   #30
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I tried doing this last night but erased it twice oh well try it again.
Wednesday morning and it is ensolite on ceiling day. Deb went off to work and it was going to take 4 hands to get this stuck on the ceiling. I set up for the job got 2 sheets of plywood and made a platform 4 ft x 16 ft and a fold up table to assemble a stand on. The stand is to put ensolite roll on I used jack stands and clamped to table tightly. I then got out all the tools I tought it would take to do the ensoliteClick image for larger version

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The ensolite roll weighs 85 lbs and I managed to get it on stand. then did final wipe down in Trillium to remove dust stuck on the ceiling walls etc. I then taped off the edges of the upper cabinet backing with masking tape and stuck a 3 wire line to roof vent hole. That stuff being done I had only to clear a path from table to back doors wide enough so that when we carry ensolite neither of us has to dodge anything.
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Deb got home at 3:30 and we got right into it. The next bit is how we got it up onceiling
- resnapped a center line on cieling and a 8 inch offset line
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the area between lines was to be where glue was to be put I also marked a starting point on the center line for the attachment of the ensolite, 24 inches from top of back door. We then measured from top of back door across ceiling all the way to top of front desk and added 12 inches this measurement 16 ft 6 in. also measured where roof vent was located from the 24 inch mark. All these measurement were transfered to the back of the ensolite.
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-The glue was sprayed on the ceiling from the 26 inch mark to ceiling vent hole, only between the lines and then we quickly folded up the ensolite on the table so it could be handled easily then sprayed the glue in between the lines and marks ( added two inches to starting mark and also to vent hole so I had could trim)
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-the next step get it up and started on ceiling without wrinkling of sticking it prematurely -what a tea managed to start the cross hair onto the center line an work it up to the vent hole then worked from center line out to offset line and rolled it onto ceiling with fluffy paint roller. Then sprayed another section on the other side of center about 8 inches and stuck that up then Deb unfolded a bit and we did the front side of the roof vent from center line to 8 inches each side and to top of curve above front window opening. It was then break time as it was getting gassy and masks were irritating Elapsed time since deb got home 1 1/2 hours picture is at break
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-after 15 minutes it was just a matter of doing a bit more glue, letting it sit 5 minutes and rolling it onto ceiling,then down and over to upper cabinet mounting strips. Had to make a few relief cuts along the way. the picture is of the fridge cabinet relief cuts and ensolite all stuck up except under front window as we decided to cut it off at top of windows and due front different than first planned.
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-This is where we left it for the evening elapsed time 3 1/2 hours, It went really well no mishaps, still married and got to watch Survivor Great day, Trim off excess today and then start side walls
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Old 04-25-2013, 10:52 AM   #31
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I am impressed! Also a bit surprised that the foam on your Ensolite is white. The stuff on the classic Trilliums is black with a white vinyl coating.
Did you follow the pattern that the classic Trilliums use?
How much stretching was required, and how hard was that?
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:50 AM   #32
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Thanks for the very detailed description/pics, Ryan! What's your plan for trimming out the seams?

And another, totally off-topic question if you don't mind:
How do you manage to reduce the size of the pics you're posting? I've never been able to figure out how to post one in a thread that didn't appear fullsize and with the "click to enlarge" yellow bar...



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Old 04-25-2013, 11:59 AM   #33
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Just got back from Vernon had to pick up 8 more cans of HP15, not cheap!! David it is similar to the old stuff but is more like foam rubber than the old ensolite and finish is formed onto that not applied (glued to backing) No stretching but have not looked this morning to see if I should have stretched but i did try to bunch a little on the headroom curves.
Francesca I always have camera set to the smallest picture size and it seems to always come out as you see it. There is more clarity if you have set for bigger picture but is harder to email etc and computer storage becomes a problem with larger pictures. Have to get back at it so will post later.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:29 PM   #34
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Francesca, How do you put the pictures in context, like Ryan has done? I always use the manage attachments button. But that way, all the pictures are at the end. I just don't know how to do captions with the pictures.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:43 PM   #35
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That I DO know how to do!

Once they're loaded into "manage attachments", you can insert them in the text by clicking on the little "paperclip" icon in the toolbar top row. A list of your attachments will appear and whichever you click on will go into the text at that point.

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Old 04-25-2013, 02:57 PM   #36
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Lunch time and the ceiling is trimmed up.
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One small bubble at back along ceiling headroom rise up. I will inject glue in when finished as I am sure a few more will appear.
The walls are turning out to be a little more of a challenge, started on right front corner and man Clint Eastwood made a movie of this one The Good Bad And Ugly . The good part was it is in, the bad is not that great of fit, and the ugly I have a crease at bottom in center of the curve. will have to make a relief cut after lunch and reglue that portion. It will be behind the seat cushions if that is any consulation. No pictures of that yet. But will post the good bad and the ugly later.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:22 PM   #37
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Francesca I am going to chaulk the seams as very few will be visible the rest are hidden in cabinets or behind upholstry they to will be chaulked. The foam is more RV white than white so maybe almond chaulking? Will test a piece first.
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I see the bubbles that you are talking about, but I think it looks great!
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Nice work, Ryan!

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... a bit surprised that the foam on your Ensolite is white. The stuff on the classic Trilliums is black with a white vinyl coating.
The original product is natural rubber foam (with a vinyl face). Ensolite is the brand name for a series of sheet foam products, including variants which use other foams. Perhaps this is another foamed material, such as synthetic rubber such as neoprene (again with a vinyl face).
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Ensolite turns out to be not the greatest insulator. I can't seem to find the thread, but I remember it being less then half as good as pink fibreglass insulation. I wonder how this foam would compare. Did the stuff come with an R-value?
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:58 AM   #41
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David it did not come with any information at all. The broker sheet from Summit Brokers called it cellular rubber sheeting. They had to get a hold of Trillium Tom as the word ensolite means nothing if classifying for duty purposes.
R value is not that great but resistance to vapor transfer is the key, no rain on these kids when the inside is warmer than the outside. Wikipedia has lots of info about foam insulations for pipes, it is worth the short read. I am told through industry that all foams ridgid or flexible are about the same insulation value. I don't know if this is all true but if that foam is more than r-2 I would be surprised.
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Old 04-28-2013, 08:45 PM   #42
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Ensolite is done. We used 50 of the 58 ft ordered from Tom. Pictures of the good. bad and the ugly. Pictures worst piece first then to best
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Bad wrinkles are in front right corner, they will be behind upholstered corner so will be hid, It was the first wall piece I did and lost control of it and stuck on wall before it was positioned. The first photo is in upper left cabinet in corner it will also be hid but that was just bad cutting on my part. It is also the worst piece!!
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next pictures are of rear corner, that corner is also a cabinet from top of bench to ceiling so joint will be in storage area. The front seam under front window will be behind upholstry was good fit except up from bottom is 3 inches of small gap chaulking will fix that. next is top corner of front window, great joint but only 1/2 inch will be visible. Last pic is of upper cabinet position next to fridge, Fits on mostly very good but a few I will chaulk. It was a real challange for most of it irregullar curves and how to deal with them led to some head scratching. nut I am very pleased with the result, and my bride was a real trooper she helped with all the larger pieces which I would not have been able to do myself.
We used 18 cans of hp15 at 20 bucks a can so not a cheap project. I am assuming that we are around $1500 for the ensolite part of the project. that is not adding 1 cent for time spent on ensolite.
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