Removing the bathroom in my 78' Trillium 4500 - Fiberglass RV


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Old 11-23-2010, 07:24 PM   #1
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Removing the bathroom in my 78' Trillium 4500

I have decided to remove the bathroom. I have already removed the holding tank and toilet the previous owner installed. I have also removed the top piece that goes along the front and includes the sink area to the right. It looks like I have to unbolt 2 bolts that go through the floor through the frame to remove the rest in one piece. I assume the walls on each side(by stove) and ( by door) can be removed without any loss of structural integrity. I was wondering if I need to do any reinforcing anywhere? Maybe where the door hinges are? But I don't think so. After all is removed I plan on making a dinette area that can fold into a bed. I need to touch up some spots with new Ensolite or something similar. Any thoughts? Suggestions? Other than selling and buying one all done Thanks Randy
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Old 11-23-2010, 11:51 PM   #2
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I assume the walls on each side (by stove) and (by door) can be removed without any loss of structural integrity.

After all is removed I plan on making a dinette area that can fold into a bed.

Any thoughts? Suggestions?
I am forgetting the layout of a 4500 aft of the entry door...
Is there a closet there? And what is the measurement of the opening between the walls? I have in the past removed interior walls in a Compact Jr. and had the roof sag, so I would be hesitant to remove your "wall-ettes" if I were doing that modification. I would try to figure out a way to modify the table (have it slide from side-to-side?) so you could fit through to the seats in the corner...

One feature I would ask Reace to build into an Escape 19' are similar "wall-ettes" like what you have, so a privacy curtain (or accordion door) could be hung between, making an enclosed sleeping compartment like on a Pullman train car that would allow people to play cards at the rear dinette while a companion (or child) is sleeping up front... just a random thought...
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Old 11-24-2010, 06:27 AM   #3
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I can cut/modify the "wall-ettes" to remain and still give support. I was hoping not to so that it had a more open floorplan. It does have the closet to the aft of the door which is centered pretty much on the camper. I will have to check and see if it really gives any support. If it does I may be able to remove just the one "wall-ette" at the entry door. I will search for pics of other 4500's with dinettes and ask those owners about the "sag" issues. Unless someone reading has one and can chime in. Originally there was a bifold door across the "wall-ettes" but if folded in and was a heavy pain. I think a curtain would work ok to seperate the area.Thanks Randy
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Old 11-24-2010, 05:35 PM   #4
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We have a 30 year old 4500 with the front dinette factory installed. I donít have pictures handy until the spring (it was -28C this morning), but our front area is completely open just like a front couch unit would be. There do not appear to be any sag issues at all. I would hazard a guess that removing the wall-ettes would not cause a problem for sag, however I might wish for something like that when the bed is made up in the front for the illusion of privacy. If I had your wall-ettes, I would consider alternative uses and perhaps partial disassembly before taking them out entirely.

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Old 11-24-2010, 05:42 PM   #5
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I will try placing some temporary seating and a table in to see if I can leave the wall-ettes in place and still access the seating. I am not a contortionist so it will have to be easy to sit down or modifying will have to be done. I may be able to cut vertically and make it a thinner wall and still ahve the option for a curtain. Randy
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Old 11-25-2010, 06:20 AM   #6
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Isn't the bathroom model 4500 a rare model? If its not too late please reconsider cutting up your original trailer. I suspect you will devalue your trailer by proceeding with these mods.
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Old 11-25-2010, 08:48 AM   #7
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I have no use for it. I definitely want a front dinette and am going to use the wall-ettes. The top came out in one piece if anyone wants it. If not I am tossing it the weekend. Randy
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I agree with Phil.
Gumpit, consider finding a front bunk model to do the front Dinette mod on. It will be a lot easier. There are people that would love to have the front washroom model. Maybe you can find someone to swap with.
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Old 11-27-2010, 04:35 PM   #9
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Well there is enough of the old vanity if anyone wants to modify their camper. I also have the cabinette door for the vanity. The shelf is junk but that was just cheap thin plywood. Easy enough to make another.It only took me a day to make the dinette. I did keep the wall-ettes for support and to be able to put a curtain acroos for sleeping privacy. I will make the table stand and then make the cushions. I also need to figure out what I am going to recover the walls with. So if you know anyone in driving distance to Massachusetts who wants the vanity it is theirs. The wall-ettes can be made out of plywood. And the rest can be fiberglassed in. I don't mind doing the mods to mine. It wasn't pristine to begin with. But when I am done it will be very solid and water tight and set up the way I like. I don't care about resale value. Doing the work is half the fun.....Randy
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I did keep the wall-ettes for support and to be able to put a curtain acroos for sleeping privacy. I will make the table stand and then make the cushions. I also need to figure out what I am going to recover the walls with.
I suggested thinking of them as an asset because I believe that making your task as simple as possible aids in actually completing it. I have sacrificed "good enough" in pursuit of "perfection" and fallen short too many times. It's looking real good so far.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:13 AM   #11
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Would be nice to have a sink but can not add one in our boler due to space requirements. Your bathroom seems to have been very large? It looks to be more than twice size in ours; so can understand why you want the change.
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It was 28" deep and the width of the camper. I was surprised there wasnt a shower in it because it was so big. Randy
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Old 11-30-2010, 08:05 AM   #13
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Smaller bathrooms have a shower; ours has the dinette at front with bathroom next to it across from the door. Bathroom black water tank is under toilet and dinette seat. Combo shower and toilet; shower was not installed but mold has indents for same. I am in the process of retro fitting the shower. Would also want the dinette.
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Old 11-30-2010, 08:23 AM   #14
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I want just the OPPOSITE!

I have a 13' Compact II with the extra privacy room. I recently asked my Trailer/van conversion specialists if they could install a marine toilet and for how much. They told me that there wasn't enought clearance on the bottom for a black water holding tank that would properly empty out. I told them that other trailers (Casita, Scamp,, etc) have them already factory installed...but they say my trailer is too low to the ground. ANYONE out there in Compact II land or any other 13' trailer land that has installed a toilet in theirs?!!!!
Or should I just be content with building a platform to hold the porta-potty in place and empty it into one of those portable plastic tanks?
Any help is MUCH appreciated!
Toilet-less-at-the-beach!
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