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Old 01-11-2012, 07:18 PM   #1
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Replacing ensolite in Trillium

I want to replace the ensolite in my '76 Trillium. I have been reading up on the various ways that others have done this but I have not seen anyone mention the possibility of using roll on truck bed liner. Maybe it is a crazy idea, but the stuff comes in white and is supposed to adhere to fiberglass. It would also eliminate worries about covering seams in fabric wall coverings. I don't plan on cold weather camping so I'm not too worried about insulation. What are the thoughts out there...am I crazy?
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Old 01-11-2012, 07:23 PM   #2
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Well, but will you camp in hot weather? Insulation works both ways. Frederick's trailer is just painted fiberglass on the inside so he may be able to answer some of your questions (I know he has A/C). There's two things I'd be concerned about... moisture (has to go somewhere) and sound.

I know the first Bolers were built without insulation, but after a few were built they started adding the Ensolite.... had to be a reason...

If you want color... check out this place: Grizzly Grip
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Old 01-11-2012, 07:30 PM   #3
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Well, but will you camp in hot weather? Insulation works both ways. Frederick's trailer is just painted fiberglass on the inside so he may be able to answer some of your questions (I know he has A/C). There's two things I'd be concerned about... moisture (has to go somewhere) and sound.

I know the first Bolers were built without insulation, but after a few were built they started adding the Ensolite.... had to be a reason...

If you want color... check out this place: Grizzly Grip
Good points, but I'm also not concerned with heat or noise. The moisture may be a problem but the liner coatings are supposed to bond to the fiberglass from what I understand. My thinking is that a bed liner coating would be much more durable and washable than standard paint. Hopefully Frederick has something to say. Thanks.
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Good points Ken, just make certain whatever you use is approved for interior use... you don't want outgassing that could make you very, very ill or make your trailer uninhabitable for months.
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Frederick's trailer is just painted fiberglass on the inside so he may be able to answer some of your questions (I know he has A/C). There's two things I'd be concerned about... moisture (has to go somewhere) and sound.
I have been able to be comfortable in the Fiber Stream without insulation, but did notice that my 5k btu A/C works harder than some trailers I've visited. Above 95 degrees it is noticeably warmer at the opposite end of the trailer than right next to the A/C on high. In Palm Springs in August: Forgedaboudit; might as well just save the electricity. You're going to be HOT with less than 15k btu's AND insulation.

On cold mornings there is a very fine condensation on mostly the ceiling (not enough to drip), but the walls stay dry. We do well under a down comforter in a duvet overnight on 600 thread count sheets. Once we wake up the heater has the cabin toasty warm within 10 minutes.

Sound is the weak point. Don't discuss state secrets on the campground road nearby, we can hear every word from inside!

I was glad there was no wall covering when I bought the Fiber Stream since it was neglected and had a serious leak. No wet wall covering to remove! Not having to worry about moisture BEHIND insulation/wall covering keeps me from trying to install it in the Fiber Stream.
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:36 PM   #6
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Hi Frederick, What kind of paint did you use? I want to use a roll on truck bed liner but am concerned about its ability to stic to the fiberglass, especially the ceiling.
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I did not install the paint; the Fiber Stream factory just painted the interior of the shells of all of their trailers made before about 1980, and mine's original.
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:50 PM   #8
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Ok man I see. Well I am going to call Herculite tomorrow to see if they have any concerns about the product off gassing anything that might be a problem. I see on their website that many off road enthusiasts are doing interiors of jeeps as well as interior boat decks so I think it would be safe. Ii also says that repairs are as simple as paint touch ups, so I it should be easy to fix if any accidents require fiberglass patching.
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Ken, look for a water-based product. If there is any off-gassing it will go away much faster than a petroleum based product. Stay away from aliphatic products -that's what drove me away from painting cars. They will mess with your nervous system.
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Ken, look for a water-based product. If there is any off-gassing it will go away much faster than a petroleum based product. Stay away from aliphatic products -that's what drove me away from painting cars. They will mess with your nervous system.
Thanks for the tip. I am seriously considering the Grizzly product linked to on the earlier post. They have a version called aromatic that I think is water based that will be the best option.
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Old 01-31-2012, 01:40 PM   #11
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Ken, Will you let us know what Herculite says, or if you find another product? We recently bought an old, abused boler, infested with carpenter ants, mice, mold, etc--so we're stripping to the shell. Already put in a new floor; now we've been looking at what to do for inside walls. Using what's left of the old ensolite is not an option. We looked at new ensolite, but it's cost-prohibitive, and frankly, I think it would be a tough job. Same with the bubble-foil and rat-fur replacements. I'm interested in hearing more about those who don't have any insulation, just paint; we don't have AC because we camp just spring and fall, and just use fans if it's too warm. We were afraid moisture would be a problem with no insulation. Youre saying no? We'd like something we could spray or paint on, so we'd love to hear ideas/feedback of what has worked, or of research you've done. Thanks!
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Using what's left of the old ensolite is not an option.
I know it is probably in rough shape, but if you can get the old ensolite off in one piece, there may be someone here interested in buying it.

I was thinking that one of those vibrating multi tools, with the correct bit could be used to shave off the ensolite like shearing a sheep.
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It's pretty well carved up. I could probably get a number of pieces a couple of feet square, but it's been ripped apart, reglued, and painted over. I thought about trying to clean it up, reglue the pieces, using silicone caulk in the gaps, and then painting or covering it, but I'm afraid the work of cleaning, patching, and gluing, and trying to find something suitable to cover it, would be more trouble than it's worth.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:29 AM   #14
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I wonder if you installed that foil/bubble insulation on the walls and then cover the seams/joints up with aluminum foil tape then roll on that grizzly grip Aroma rubberized bed liner with a nice textured roller (not sure if its rubberized but the website said it was really flexible and great for indoors) if it will stick to that foil/bubble insulation i think this would be a really good option. i've been considering it myself. would realy like to get rid of the ensolite in our boler.

anyone think this would be a good option?
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