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Old 08-23-2015, 12:54 PM   #29
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Bob,

There are ways to seek evidence, if you require it, that are non-threatening in tone.

If I were to require evidence of any claim, due to interest in a product, I wouldn't ask others to do the research. I would do it myself.

At any rate Bob, the OP had an idea, he shared it, and I thank him for that. If you're not interested in the sawdust toilet, then I see no further reason to continue to press for evidence.

The tone in your posts does carry a hostile tone, which comes off as personally attacking.

I will close now as I have nothing further to add to this discussion, but am thankful to have learned about another human being's idea and his work to make it a reality for him.

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Quote: "If I were to require evidence of any claim, due to interest in a product, I wouldn't ask others to do the research. I would do it myself."


I did and I came up with a zero..... that's why I turned it back to the OP.
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I think this discussion has been of interest to even those of us not living within the 50 States of America. Or is it 51? I don't remember.
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Our purpose here is to do the greater good, and if something strikes you as not quite right, it might ought to be spoken with kindness.

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Precisely.
Which is why it makes sense to counter bad ideas.
I would not recommend hooking up the vehicle exhaust to heat the trailer, nor would I recommend a sawdust toilet.
And, do you think about the people who have to empty those garbage cans?
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Years ago ,raw sewage, industrial waste ,slaughter house waste etc etc was often dumped in the closest river . The rational was that it was legal , safe ,CHEAP and ended up being rhe problem of those living down stream . It is evident by this thread that this way of thinking is still alive today.
Hopefully ,I stated my opinion in a sensitive manner so as to not offend.
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Can anyone tell me, in the RV application world, how the sawdust toilet is even equal to, much less better than, the existing Porta-Potty systems in common use?
Well, I can't say they are equal to or better than, because they are just two different systems used for two different purposes. I *have* a brand new porta potty that came with my trailer... the plastic is still on it.

Those of you who have used one of these and who are inured to the clean up and disposal part of the process know what you are about, are obviously happy with the concept, and that's certainly fine! To each his own!

But these do use water and chemicals. The chemical part I did not like. I don't like the idea of carrying the thing and dumping it (with several days' accumulation), and then cleaning and leaving it sitting until the next time.

Plus, there is the initial investment, which might be too costly for some.

Again, I can't speak to the sawdust approach, because the expected disposal for that is COMPOST, and when biological matter is covered in a compost pile the ensuing heat does absolutely sterilize the mixture, especially after two years (the recommended length of time). The resulting product is not dangerous, but of course you don't want your grandchildren out there climbing on the pile while it's cooking.

Even so, sawdust and waste which is double bagged and sent to a landfill is also going to get very hot. It may not reduce to compost, but it will heat to the point that it should be safe when it finally degrades.

I'm a female, and I'm finicky (no more public porta potties for me ever). I can just testify that I used the kitty litter system for two years, the maintenance and clean up was a breeze, there was no negative aroma, it was very comfortable and discrete inside my tent, there was no line of women and MEN standing just outside waiting, and I'm once again convinced that the disposal method was proper.

Because my set-up looks like some laundry supplies (laundry detergent bucket and Clorox 2 bottle), these items can sit out under the trailer during the day, and come in at night for emergencies. The snap-on lid keeps it completely sealed.

I want to do the right thing, of course, and everyone has their own preferences. This is mine, and I just share the details in case others are still making decisions.
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And, do you think about the people who have to empty those garbage cans?
This is like suggesting that we're not thinking of janitors when we go to the bathroom, or dishwashers when we eat in restaurants. Sanitary workers are emptying the nastiest stuff in the universe (short of nuclear waste), and doing a job they applied for and are paid to do. (At amazing rates of pay, in a union, with job security, and receiving medical benefits and retirement.)

These garbage cans contain: adult diapers (some rolled up and sealed and some not), baby diapers (some rolled up and some not), kitty litter full of kitty poo (some of this litter is bagged and some is just loose in the garbage can), and doggie poo, some of it sealed in a single doggie poo bag and some loose in the garbage from people who have shoveled their back yard and just dumped the contents in the can. In other words, this stuff is very yucky; it is encountered by these workers every day, and it is all legal and acceptable, and no one on any forum anywhere makes a stink about it.

These cans also contain rotten food, waste products from bathroom trashes (often also nasty and often not sealed in trash bags), and other GARBAGE we have not even thought of.

Of all of these nasties, I think that double-bagged bits from our RV's are going to be the least offensive of all for the people emptying the cans, and also much less environmentally damaging.
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Years ago ,raw sewage, industrial waste ,slaughter house waste etc etc was often dumped in the closest river . The rational was that it was legal , safe ,CHEAP and ended up being rhe problem of those living down stream . It is evident by this thread that this way of thinking is still alive today.
Hopefully ,I stated my opinion in a sensitive manner so as to not offend.
Unless someone here is suggesting disposing out in the gutters (people used to toss their chamber pot contents out into the streets) or dumping into into a river, I hardly see how this remark is relevant, but the implication is not all that *sensitive.*

And when individuals here and elsewhere are seeking *cost effective* and acceptable solutions to problems, calling them "CHEAP" is a low blow.
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I'm just curious... if we're not supposed to dispose of doggie "bags" in public trash, where are they supposed to go?

My kitty's litter is scooped into a garbage bag, tied, and added to our trash.

Is this human waste/kitty litter procedure different/less environmentally sound?
In my area dog poop is suppose to be flushed down a toilet & not put into public trash unless the trash is designated for such.

No human waste in the public trash either - items such a disposable diapers are suppose to have as much human waste removed as possible from them before they are put into the public garbage system.

As others have suggested the disposal of the waste of a sawdust toilet would be problematic .. not to mention the extra sawdust one would also need to pack along...
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I think that's an excellent suggestion Ellpea.


Those wanting to use the sawdust toilet need only keep their bags of waste around for a year or so until it reduces to safe compost, and then add that, and yet another plastic bag (or two), to the landfill pile.


But, until then, a public trash receptacle is still not a good place to put a (double) plastic bag full of poop and sawdust, and that was my entire point...


I don't know which Porta-Potty you are about to start using, there are some good ones and some not-so-good. But the Domatic SeaLand 970 series is about the best in the business and it is easy to empty and there is no "Yuk" factor whatsoever.


I have installed five of them and have not heard anything but positive comments from users. Here is a link to one seller, prices may be lower elsewhere:
Sealand Sanipottie 975 Toilet - Star Marine Depot


And an Install on a slide out track in my Hunter. We call it SnS "Slide n' Sit" LOL...





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Unless someone here is suggesting disposing out in the gutters (people used to toss their chamber pot contents out into the streets) or dumping into into a river, I hardly see how this remark is relevant, but the implication is not all that *sensitive.*

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While you may not see the relevance in the statement made I suspect most public health experts would. The health hazards associated with people dumping human waste into a public landfill are just as serious as they were back in the day of the chamber pot being dumped into the local gutter.
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I really don't want to fuss about this issue.

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The health hazards associated with people dumping human waste into a public landfill are just as serious as they were back in the day of the chamber pot being dumped into the local gutter.
But I think there is a big difference. Human waste in a landfill is not being sloshed down on someone's head, and our toddlers are not stomping around in it barefoot. Pedestrians are not walking through it and carrying it into their homes on their shoes.

Chamber pot residue was not double bagged. Human waste is not going unprotected into a garbage dump, it is (should be) double bagged and sealed, and from what little information we can find, this is the procedure required by the national park services that care to address the topic at all.

I should clarify, that my interest in this has only to do with dry camping. In any other situation, I would prefer a nice nearby restroom (except possibly late at night).

I agree with the other poster who said he thought this topic stinks.

The purpose of the OP was to share information, cost, and procedure, and he did so with good photos and explanations. There are obviously going to be disagreements about this, and there won't be a way to resolve them, any more than we can all come to an agreement about tow vehicles and weights. This an even more personal issue, and my feeling is that so long as the sawdust user and/or kitty litter fan takes every precaution to be as considerate of others and the environment as possible, we should consider this an individual choice and let it go at that.
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No offense to the OP or to anyone who disagrees with him, but it makes little difference if human waste is disposed of (mixed with sawdust) in the trash or if it goes down the sewer. In the sawdust case, it goes to a landfill, and biodegrades. If it goes down the sewer, its treated at the water treatment plant where it's separated from the water. The biosolids (processed sludge) that are left are given to farms as fertilizer, buried in landfills or incinerated. So, sewer disposal means eventual use as fertilizer or as landfill mass, and sawdust toilet waste as landfill mass.

I'm not speaking to the legalities, since they can differ greatly from place to place - just the fact that they both can wind up at the same place.

While it is true that ultimately that waste disposed of in the methods expounded upon in this thread, there is a major difference. Waste which is disposed of into a septic tank which may be pumped or into a sanitary sewer goes into a closed system and ultimately is treated by waste water professionals, away from potential contact with the general public. Human waste that is disposed of in a dumpster has the potential to be contacted by the general public. Human waste can contain any number of pathogens, including both bacteria and viruses. Having had a background in microbiology and having worked with public utilities for the last 25 years prior to retiring, it is my opinion that any method of human waste disposal where the public may come in contact with the waste is a bad idea, and should be avoided.


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The purpose of the OP was to share information, cost, and procedure, and he did so with good photos and explanations. There are obviously going to be disagreements about this, and there won't be a way to resolve them, any more than we can all come to an agreement about tow vehicles and weights. This an even more personal issue, and my feeling is that so long as the sawdust user and/or kitty litter fan takes every precaution to be as considerate of others and the environment as possible, we should consider this an individual choice and let it go at that.
Yup & the purpose of my response was to also share with the OP that in many areas of NA that have moved beyond the chamber pot age in regards to the handling of human waste it is actually illegal to dispose of human or dog or cat waste in a public landfill. Simple put it is a BIG health issue. Something that apparently some here appear not to be aware of.

Another consideration is that in many areas of NA the use of plastic bags and the disposal of them into landfills is something that is look down on due to the environmental implications and the disposal of plastic bags into the landfill is to be avoided when ever possible. In fact just last week-end while taking a load of garbage to the local dump one of the works came over and went through the bag I had to make sure there was no plastic in it at all! So in my view the need to double bag the human waste and sawdust while traveling into two plastic bags as you suggest be done would seem to go against what I suspect the OP was actually attempting to achieve in the design.

Bottom line is the disposal of human waste when traveling for the health and safety of all is best disposed of into a sewage system that is built and designed to treat the waste in the safest way possible.

As with all things what the OP chooses to do with the information provided here is as always up to them.
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