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Old 08-23-2015, 04:33 PM   #43
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There is enough disagreement about this issue that I will take steps to contact some public health officials and seek advice.
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I donít know if throwing a sawdust & human waste bag in a trash container is legal or not, but certainly not any worst than whatís already in these containers (just about any type of nasty bacteria or haz mat). Itís not like if you just throw the bag out there on the roadside, to ferment and compost by itself until itís all biodegraded (which could take years). The trash container will not be the bagís final resting place, exactly like whatís in your porta-potti will not stay in there forever. It will get picked up with the rest of the trash and be properly disposed of, whatever this means locally.

I donít see this any worst than using an RV septic tank with tank deodorant. Whatís worst for the planet, a couple plastic bags with human waste, or some chemical deodorant with human waste? Not sure what the answer is!

In the end, what you have to ask yourself is would you trade a regular RV toilet and septic system for a sawdust system? I have no experience with a sawdust system, but I am very sceptical that it works as good as the OP mentionned. I just donít see a bucket full of urine-soaked sawdust having no smell after a couple days at 80 degrees. Geez, my daugther had a guinea pig that lived in a sawdust and wood chip filled cage and that smelled like _ _ _ _ after 3 days! If it really works, well good for the OP, but I would have to see (or smell) it in person first!

Also, you have to admit that waiting in line at the dump station when leaving the campground makes you feel like you have a big rig. Whatís to brag about just dropping a plastic bag in the container?
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Everybody, please, don't look down on the various life forms that actually do take care of this stuff in the end! It is not man-made chemistry, it is natural chemistry. The sewer plants simply provide a nice environment for them to thrive in, the water cycle being the most widely used one. Those completely sealed, impenetrable land fills, I am not so sure about. There are so many "cycles" around, in most cases we just simply do not know what they do.
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"Also, you have to admit that waiting in line at the dump station when leaving the campground makes you feel like you have a big rig. Whatís to brag about just dropping a plastic bag in the container?
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I think that the choices being offered were Porta-Potties vs. the Sawdust Box. The whole discussion of Porta-Potties vs. Black tanks, stinky slinkys and the joy of dump station camaraderie is another, entirely different, issue. LOL
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...I am only being critical...
'Nuff said.
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There is enough disagreement about this issue that I will take steps to contact some public health officials and seek advice.
A good place to start may be your local EPA.

An interesting read from the National Parks Service on the topic:
www.nps.gov Human Waste Disposal restrictions and Vault Toilet Removal Announced for Needles District

Reads in part:
"Disposing of untreated human waste in landfills is prohibited by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Landfill safe waste bags must be disposed of in a designated human waste receptacle, and portable toilet system contents must be emptied into a designated sewage treatment/dump station facility. Dumping portable toilet system contents and/or putting wag bags into vault or flush toilets are prohibited."

"Human waste in the backcountry is becoming a greater resource protection and human health concern as park visitation increases. Park officials encourage all visitors coming to enjoy the region's backcountry trails and roads to plan ahead for ensuring they can properly contain and dispose of their human waste."
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The whole pack out your waste from federal lands thing always makes me sad-laugh a little, given those spaces are positively sloshing with industrial and agricultural pollution. Even adding up all the potential cat holes it's going to have less impact than acid rain/mine runoff/fracking byproducts/etc.

Don't worry, I'm not advocating leaving one's dumps in a pack-it-out zone. It's just a rolly-eyes thing.

Back to the spirited discussion of toilets.
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Back to the spirited discussion of toilets.

Are we having fun yet?
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So who trumped who?
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A very good lead

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A good place to start may be your local EPA.

An interesting read from the National Parks Service on the topic:
www.nps.gov Human Waste Disposal restrictions and Vault Toilet Removal Announced for Needles District
Carol H,
Thank you for this link. Your search term was better than mine, because I didn't come up with anything this close.

The two bits of info most relevant to this discussion are in bold below:
Use of a toilet system that is either: 1) washable and reusable, allowing for the sanitary transfer of waste to sewage treatment facilities, or 2) of the type that treats solid waste with dry chemicals and is EPA approved for disposal in landfills (a.k.a. "wag bags") will be required.
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"Landfill safe waste bags must be disposed of in a designated human waste receptacle"
So for the purpose of the discussion here, what we need to know is:

1. What dry chemicals treat solid waste acceptably (and make it acceptable for landfills)?

2. What is meant by "wag bags" (are they related to the "Double Doodie")?

3. WHAT IS A "DESIGNATED HUMAN WASTE RECEPTACLE"?
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So who trumped who?
I believe you mean, "So who trumped whom?"

To answer the question, I'm not sure every discussion has a trumper and a trumpee. Sometimes it's just a learning experience.
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1. It's sure not sawdust
2. Cleanwaste WAG Bags at nrs.com
3. It's a metal container with a difficult to open top, found in national parks marked something like: "Bagged or Packaged Human Waste Only" "Diapers, WAG Bags etc." I've see both Purple and Yellow.
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1. It's sure not sawdust
2. Cleanwaste WAG Bags at nrs.com
3. It's a metal container with a difficult to open top, found in national parks marked something like: "Bagged or Packaged Human Waste Only" "Diapers, WAG Bags etc." I've see both Purple and Yellow.
I just found the Wag Bags on Amazon. This is what the vendor says:

The Cleanwaste WAG Bag, Toilet in a Bag Waste Kit, is the key to the Cleanwaste Dry Toilet System. The biodegradable bag contains a powder that gels waste, neutralizes odors and starts the decay process.
Each WAG Bag kit contains an outer zip-close disposal bag, a waste collection bag preloaded with waste treatment powder, toilet paper and a hand sanitizer towellete.
The WAG (Waste Alleviation and Gelling) Bag contains enough gelling powder for 3-4 uses.
The double bag system is made from a puncture resistant material. It's spill proof and hygienic.
The double bagged WAG bag is approved for disposal in any garbage can.
In addition to use while boating, the bags work great when hiking, backpacking, rock climbing or as part of an in-home emergency kit.
They're essential for backcountry winter sports when it's impossible to dig a "cat hole" for burying waste.
Many boating areas now require you to carry out human waste. Even for those that don't, the removal of waste products protects the environment. Always check ahead with the area management agency to find out what they require for carry out systems.

Always pack out used bags in a rigid, waterproof container.
I'm tempted to believe that the WAG bag is a Double Doodie bag by another name with diaper biogel added.
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Most informative article yet

Can't really share how I got there... just kept following links and stumbled onto this one:
Human Waste Disposal in the Backcountry: How to p** and p**p in the woods


This held my interest because it discusses the practice required on Mt. Shasta, which I can see from my home. Other locations include Colorado's San Isabel National Forest and Mt. Whitney. Information shared comes courtesy of "Leave No Trace Center for Outdoor Ethics."

It shares in part: "Rangers at Mt. Shasta offer a user-friendly homemade kit to all their hikers, which includes an 11 x 17 sheet of paper with a bull's-eye printed on it for pickup. Just place the bull's-eye on your poo pile, according to White, and you'll have plenty of paper to wrap around it, avoiding all hand contact. Their kit also includes a one-gallon Ziploc bag and a sack with kitty litter. There are disposal receptacles at the trailhead, and hikers can pick up kits there or at area outdoor shops.

Users who make their own Wag Bags should note that homemade versions can't be tossed into landfills, as can EPA-approved commercial ones, like GO Anywhere, Biffy Bags, and ReStop."
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