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Old 02-01-2019, 02:15 PM   #15
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Coming back to this, i was recently watching this scamp factory tour video https://youtu.be/s-qvd74DHn0?t=249 and in it Wayne Pitlick mentions, "this is a 13, we put extra support in this one for an airconditioner" and when the video pans to the roof you can clearly see an extra wooden support on the roof for the a/c and then the fantastic fan hole right behind that. John's video is from late in 2017, so now I have conflicting information about the roof support.

I have reached out to scamp with a screen shot of the video and my vin number so that they can confirm or deny. It seems like the wood is fiberglassed in place so to the unsuspecting person it may seem like the a/c shroud is screwed directly to fiberglass.
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Old 02-01-2019, 04:56 PM   #16
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It seems like the wood is fiberglassed in place so to the unsuspecting person it may seem like the a/c shroud is screwed directly to fiberglass.
I refer to the cover on top (on the roof) the shroud and the inside on the ceiling is the air distribution box. The shroud is attached to the frame of the A/C but the air distribution box in my 2015 sixteen footer was screwed into (and clean through) the fiberglass roof. There was no wood at that spot for the screws until I added some. See this thread.


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I have reached out to scamp with a screen shot of the video and my vin number so that they can confirm or deny. ..
I assume you sent an email.. you might need to call. I know they made some changes to the roof support in different years but I don't have the specifics.
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I assume you sent an email.. you might need to call. I know they made some changes to the roof support in different years but I don't have the specifics.[/QUOTE]

Gordon, I did see your post, the YouTube videos are showing a scamp 13 so not sure if 16 is any different. Scamp got back to me and said that all scamp are "prepped for a/c unless owner requests they don't do it." I specifically attached the video screen shot and asked about the wood so it seems like it should indeed be there. Looking at the screen shot it's not just extra fiberglass because of the color, it's much lighter. In your photo it does look like just fiberglass, but are you sure there wasn't a fairly thin piece of wood that was glasses over? Do you recall how long the screws were holding in the air distribution box? I believe the shell should only be about 1/8" thick, I'm guessing the wood would be 1/4" so total thickness if there is wood there should be a little less than 1/2".
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Old 02-01-2019, 05:56 PM   #18
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Well I cant be 100% sure but I'm close to 100. Any wood in the my roof would have to be so thin that I don't think it would add much strength.

I wonder if the wood on the roof was just temporary backing for a thicker coat of fiberglass. The talk about "all wood" in the video seems to be about the supports for the benches, etc., and not the roof. Thats my guess at least.

At any rate, ask the right person at Evelands the specific question, how is it reinforced and what methods were used in which years, and that will the authoritative answer.
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Old 02-04-2019, 10:21 AM   #19
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Alright, so i finally got an explanation from Wayne Pitlick at scamp about the roof.

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Don't put any screws into the ceiling, the support is only 1/8th inch thick, it is a pad that is soaked in fiberglass resign. The combination makes the roof stronger.
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So you guys were right that it is only fiberglass, I was thrown off by the way the fiberglass was a different color in that part of the roof, which I guess is caused by the pad that Wayne mentions. I'm guessing the roof thickness is then 3/8 - 1/4". I do have screws in my air distribution box like Gordon mentioned so I will have to check those in the spring time, i don't have a leak there but better be safe than sorry.
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Old 02-04-2019, 01:46 PM   #20
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Alright, so i finally got an explanation from Wayne Pitlick at scamp about the roof.



So you guys were right that it is only fiberglass, I was thrown off by the way the fiberglass was a different color in that part of the roof, which I guess is caused by the pad that Wayne mentions. I'm guessing the roof thickness is then 3/8 - 1/4". I do have screws in my air distribution box like Gordon mentioned so I will have to check those in the spring time, i don't have a leak there but better be safe than sorry.
Good research.

I tried to convince them to glass-in some wood (like they do for the benches) so that the A/C air dist box screws would have something more to bite into. It seems that they have declined to make the change.
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Good research.

I tried to convince them to glass is some wood (like they do for the benches) so that the A/C air dist box screws would have something more to bite into. It seems the have declined to make the change.
Gordon, i agree with you. I'm surprised they don't use more glassed in wood in general like escape uses on their trailers. I guess its easier and less time consuming to just throw rivets in through the shell. Well, at least we have some concrete answers on the a/c "support" and roof structure now.
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Hmmm... Glass in wood in the ceiling, then cut a 14 square hole in the middle and pierce it with numerous screws... Seems like a recipe for water infiltration and eventual rot.

Tabbed cabinetry... Yes, it adds to the cost and has minimal value when youre using modular fiberglass cabinets. It might be more appropriate for the deluxe.

Im wondering now what the pad material is...
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Im wondering now what the pad material is...
Jon, it's lighter in color so it may be a different type/weave of fiberglass. Like a smooth, more tightly woven fiberglass cloth vs the sprayed on chopped mat.
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Thats what Id heard- fiberglass cloth. They use pieces of it to seal the belly band, bond the shell to the floor, tab in the bench and bunk supports...
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:31 PM   #25
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So i have a solution for my dome light. I came across this Hengs led ring that is made for the fantastic fan. Unfortunately, this exact product will not work in the scamp because scamp uses a different trim (wooden) on the fan. However, the idea is sound and I will purchase some led extrusion and diy a similar setup. I will even add a small pwm controller to add dimming. The parts are ordered, I am excited to finally get some more light in the scamp! The pwm controler is great, it has a built in on/off switch as well as dimming capability up to 5 amps.
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