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Old 05-03-2015, 08:48 AM   #15
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I'm assuming, Ken, that you will be draining the tanks for travel? That much weight at the back of your trailer could affect towing stability.
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Old 05-03-2015, 04:44 PM   #16
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Yes I always drain the fresh tanks. Usually at the dump site when draining the gray and black tanks. last thing before leaving.
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Old 05-04-2015, 04:36 AM   #17
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OK, after 3 years of reading posts of folks towing with little or no water in the fresh tank I've got to ask and will probably get beat up for it.
I just don't see any advantage of leaving the house without a full tank of water. Loading extra weight forward makes up for it, it's all in the loading. Most of the combos of members I see sure doesn't seem like it would make any difference to a good tow. Maybe I'm in a different zone as I have a SD17 that has a heavy tw and the water in the back takes a bit off the tongue. I'm still at 365# for travel full wet. I don't dump any tanks until I get home and have never had a bad tow experience with any weight change between the fresh and holding tanks after a trip. So...putting myself my self in the blasting zone, why are so many of you worried about the little extra weight of mostly 10-20 gallons of water from what I see? Are you so close to the limits of your tugs or just want to squeeze out the last bit of gas per mile for bragging rights? After having a few different RVs and getting 7 mph, 17 with my Ranger is great and if your RVing, the mileage to me goes out the window. Not knocking anybody, just wondering about what I read as a mindset. Is this as clear as mud
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Old 05-04-2015, 07:46 AM   #18
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Dave, In my case 20 gallons will mess up my towing big time. I once tried with full fresh tanks made it about 6 miles and had to pull over on the interstate and drain. The sway and rocking was bad. Empty it runs fine. Because of that experience I now use a Andersen hitch Just in case. Everyones case is different. Below part of the Andersen
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Old 05-04-2015, 07:57 AM   #19
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I always leave home with a full tank of water (15 + 6 gallons in water heater) and 2 of those blue 7 gallon water tanks from walmart in my forward bathroom, so I guess the extra increase in tongue weight helps balance out the water tank being on the other side of the axle. I wash dishes, drink probably at least a half gallon of water a day excluding coffee lol, and shower. Always have extra water to share with my tent camping friends. I also know that my well water at home is safe and good tasting...who knows how decent the water is at the campground?
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Old 05-04-2015, 08:45 AM   #20
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Dave, I think it depends on what model trailer you have. In your case, Casita 17s are (by design) unusually heavy on the tongue. That's good for towing stability, and the reason full tanks have little effect on your rig, but it pretty much limits your tug to a light truck or one of the few stouter SUVs.

Others are (by design) lighter on the tongue to accommodate a wider range of tugs. But that requires more careful attention to loading. In Ken's case, 150-200 pounds of water weight behind the axle (double what the original design was meant to carry) is potentially enough to upset the balance of the trailer.

I'm not against carrying water. I am in favor of stable towing. Another recent thread drew my attention to the data in Jon V's spreadsheet (post #297 in the thread "Trailer Weights in the Real World"). I had it calculate the percent tongue weight for every trailer in the database. The results were startling, ranging from a high of 18.2% (a Bigfoot 21) to a low of 3.8% (a Hunter Compact Jr.). That range excludes 5th wheel designs.

What was more interesting was that certain models appeared to be more susceptible to unstable loading, and not all were older designs. Carol reported in the thread that one of the seriously unbalanced trailers experienced sway and rolled on the way home from the rally where it was weighed, so this is not just theoretical. Her assessment was that water weight was one, but not the only, factor in the accident. That particular model had several light-on-the-tongue units in the database.

The data also back up my claim that the Casita 17 is uniquely tongue-heavy among molded fiberglass designs. So, what works for you may be dangerous for someone else.
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Old 05-04-2015, 10:29 AM   #21
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I NEVER pull with one drop of water if I can help it in my Scamp. The only exception is to a rally where there's no water spicket (and around 100 miles max). My fresh tank and WH is in the rear. 12 gal plus 6 = 18 x 8lb per gal = 144 lbs dead weight on the rear of my Scamp??? Now add my 18 gal Grey tank also at the rear and that would be another 72 lbs 1/2 full. TOTAL of 216 lbs!! Do you not know it affects not only the TV, gas mileage...but the trailer suspension (torsion axles), the bearing load, tire load thus more wear. And as you... I just have to state WHY would any one do this? (with a few exceptions I understand). So with a smile, we're on opposite ends of the spectrum here. But that's my reasoning.

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OK, after 3 years of reading posts of folks towing with little or no water in the fresh tank I've got to ask and will probably get beat up for it.
I just don't see any advantage of leaving the house without a full tank of water. Loading extra weight forward makes up for it, it's all in the loading. Most of the combos of members I see sure doesn't seem like it would make any difference to a good tow. Maybe I'm in a different zone as I have a SD17 that has a heavy tw and the water in the back takes a bit off the tongue. I'm still at 365# for travel full wet. I don't dump any tanks until I get home and have never had a bad tow experience with any weight change between the fresh and holding tanks after a trip. So...putting myself my self in the blasting zone, why are so many of you worried about the little extra weight of mostly 10-20 gallons of water from what I see? Are you so close to the limits of your tugs or just want to squeeze out the last bit of gas per mile for bragging rights? After having a few different RVs and getting 7 mph, 17 with my Ranger is great and if your RVing, the mileage to me goes out the window. Not knocking anybody, just wondering about what I read as a mindset. Is this as clear as mud
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Old 05-06-2015, 07:18 AM   #22
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Waste water

Since we are talking about draining tanks. I had Scamp not put the slinky on the front of the trailer. I went to lowes and bought a fence post cover and caps. I installed my own under the trailer in the back next to the gray tank.
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:42 PM   #23
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Hi Ken, Congratulation on new SCAMP2. I got your SCAMP1 ready for firs 2days camping trip starting tomorrow. Its only 30 miles from the house to test things out. Will post some pictures after.
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Old 05-08-2015, 11:12 AM   #24
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Slavcha, You might want to follow this thread I have lots of mods that I will show with pics. I had all these on your now new Scamp. Your going to love camping in it. PM me with your address and I will send you manuals of the main items in you trailer. If you want them.
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Old 05-10-2015, 04:31 PM   #25
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Yes, will follow. Will send PM. Here is one mode i did to add more storage.
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Old 05-10-2015, 04:37 PM   #26
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Old 05-11-2015, 07:50 AM   #27
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Chester, That's what I wanted to do but was afraid of what I would find behind that panel. I need more time for all the things I need to do.
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Old 05-11-2015, 08:58 AM   #28
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I had to lower divider between top and bottom opening, and on the back wall was a vent for fridge, it got covered with piece of carpet from a dollar store (perfect size), used 3M spray to glue it. And for a door is piece of pine board i got from lowes. I trimmed the edge to make it look like real door.
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