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Old 12-08-2012, 04:37 PM   #1
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So when/why did they switch from a window ac type unit to the rooftop units?
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:54 PM   #2
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I think you can choose one or the other...but maybe that's recent. I'd guess that if rooftop's a new option, it's due to extra reinforcement added to the roof.

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So when/why did they switch from a window ac type unit to the rooftop units?
I believe they had some problems with the closet mounted AC. It also took up some of the storage space.
You could call Kent Eveland and ask to be sure.
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Prior to the Scamp fire in January 2006, if a trailer wasn't built with reinforcement in the roof.. a owner was advised to NOT put on roof A/C. It's my understanding (and I've been known to be wrong) that all trailers built after the fire are reinforced for roof A/C. It's now a choice where an owner wants the A/C rather than what the trailer "needs."

It's a big point when folks buy a prior fire Scamp and want to add roof A/C that we tell them.... okay... if you want a big sky light!
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:46 PM   #5
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I believe they had some problems with the closet mounted AC. It also took up some of the storage space.
You could call Kent Eveland and ask to be sure.
In the mobile pet grooming industry some of the economy priced grooming vans had wall units for their AC. The problem was that these air conditioners were not designed to deal with the constant movement and bouncing about that happens in a vehicle. They are designed to be put in a stationary house window where they stay permanently. As a result, we were warned that thee wall unit manufacturers may void the warranty if the AC was used in a mobile application. My guess is that Scamp ran into the same problem.

I know that there are people using window air conditioners in their trailers without problems, and I am considering doing the same. Anyone who does so is doing an "off label" use for the product, and the manufacturer can't be held responsible if something goes wrong. In the mobile grooming industry, you don't see window airconditioners used much anymore. In a trailer, where you can buy a 5000 btu air conditioner on sale for less than $75, it makes sense that a do-it-yourselfer would figure out a way to stuff a unit like this into a trailer. On a brand new trailer, a rigged up system like that is really not appropriate.

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Now I did do some google searches and found a post from last year, Donna put a link to 2 other prior discussions... pet cool air cond

but they do make a larger unit... ClimateRight - CR-7000 Max

But the price is probably the same as a roof top unit. I have looked at some new smaller stick built trailers and they are useing window ac units... its a shame they stopped building them in because it keeps the clean lines of the scamp

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In the mobile pet grooming industry some of the economy priced grooming vans had wall units for their AC. The problem was that these air conditioners were not designed to deal with the constant movement and bouncing about that happens in a vehicle. They are designed to be put in a stationary house window where they stay permanently. As a result, we were warned that thee wall unit manufacturers may void the warranty if the AC was used in a mobile application. My guess is that Scamp ran into the same problem.
I know that there are people using window air conditioners in their trailers without problems, and I am considering doing the same. Anyone who does so is doing an "off label" use for the product, and the manufacturer can't be held responsible if something goes wrong. In the mobile grooming industry, you don't see window airconditioners used much anymore. In a trailer, where you can buy a 5000 btu air conditioner on sale for less than $75, it makes sense that a do-it-yourselfer would figure out a way to stuff a unit like this into a trailer. On a brand new trailer, a rigged up system like that is really not appropriate.

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Interesting!

I wonder if the folks at Lil Snoozy know that- I think wall mount is the only way they offer A/C on their trailer...

And I think Parkliner's using them, too!

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Interesting!

I wonder if the folks at Lil Snoozy know that- I think wall mount is the only way they offer A/C on their trailer...

And I think Parkliner's using them, too!

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Just because it can be done (and sometimes is done) doesn't mean it should be done.

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Just because it can be done (and sometimes is done) doesn't mean it should be done.

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Don't get me wrong, Derek- I agree with you 100%! I think windowbox-air is a bad idea on any RV...

I will say that I think that of the two I mentioned that use them, Parkliner's under-bench placement looks a lot more solid than the Snoozy's in-the-upper-back-wall arrangement, though.

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Don't get me wrong, Derek- I agree with you 100%! I think windowbox-air is a bad idea on any RV...

I will say that I think that of the two I mentioned that use them, Parkliner's under-bench placement looks a lot more solid than the Snoozy's in-the-upper-back-wall arrangement, though.

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And snoozy's is unsupported... but who knows...some people seem to think its running fine in theirs.
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And snoozy's is unsupported... but who knows...some people seem to think its running fine in theirs.
So far....

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I'm sure the airflow is better with the ac up higher. If its up high, mechanically supporting the unit becomes an issue. Its all a matter of compromises.
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yeah mounting an ac unit on the floor isnt the wisest of plans... cold air descends like hot air rises. I learned a lesson on the first boat i lived on, didn't have a great spot to mount the heater except above the settee couch...well let me tell ya about how cold the lower 2.5 feet of the cabin was lol. Next time it got installed on the floor and problem was solved lol.
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Prior to the Scamp fire in January 2006, if a trailer wasn't built with reinforcement in the roof.. a owner was advised to NOT put on roof A/C. It's my understanding (and I've been known to be wrong) that all trailers built after the fire are reinforced for roof A/C. It's now a choice where an owner wants the A/C rather than what the trailer "needs."

It's a big point when folks buy a prior fire Scamp and want to add roof A/C that we tell them.... okay... if you want a big sky light!
The thirteen is the one which requires manufacturing prep to be supplied with factory A/C, (before and after the fire).

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And now for a couple of guesses...
Rooftop A/C has been offered since the late eighties, maybe earlier.
The window A/C is no longer a factory option, not since the sometime in the ninties.
Roof A/C on the thirteen was once offered by adding wood crossmembers, newer Scamp 13 A/C prep involves additional fiberglas thickness in the roof and AC wiring under the ratfur.
No research involved in this part of my response, only observation and discussion.
Here is a picture of a the high mounted A/C which i installed on my 1973 LoveBug, It worked great in this location and was solid.
I would consider above the rear window if I did it again, using the smaller 33# Frididaire unit.
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