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Old 04-23-2014, 04:56 PM   #29
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How are people installing the front dinette mounting without going through the side wall?

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Just use the original bench and cut the center out.
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Old 04-23-2014, 05:28 PM   #30
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I don't think they ever made a complete trailer with the Boler name on it.
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In July of 1971 Duane Eveland was involved in remodeling damaged mobile homes. A factory representative from Bolar American stopped by and watched. Eventually the Bolar salesman asked if he would like to manufacture trailers for Bolar. The Bolar trailer was designed in Canada and Bolar American was a company attempting to develop the US market. Duane was interested and together with his brother Gerald Eveland and sister Gladys Coffland negociated a contract with Bolar in which Evelandís Inc. would manufacture trailers and Bolar would market them. Bolar had their own problems and went out of business late in 1972. This left Evelandís Inc. with molds but no marketing company. Duane, Gerald and Gladys discussed things, came up with the name Scamp, and began building and marketing their own trailer.
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In July of 1971 Duane Eveland was involved in remodeling damaged mobile homes. A factory representative from Bolar American stopped by and watched. Eventually the Bolar salesman asked if he would like to manufacture trailers for Bolar. The Bolar trailer was designed in Canada and Bolar American was a company attempting to develop the US market. Duane was interested and together with his brother Gerald Eveland and sister Gladys Coffland negociated a contract with Bolar in which Eveland’s Inc. would manufacture trailers and Bolar would market them. Bolar had their own problems and went out of business late in 1972. This left Eveland’s Inc. with molds but no marketing company. Duane, Gerald and Gladys discussed things, came up with the name Scamp, and began building and marketing their own trailer.
Yep I too read that, on the new website. So that will be the official story from here on out. History always tends to gel when put in print. The story was a bit more amorphous ten years ago.

But back to the point... I still haven't seen a single Scamp13 with a raised floor all the way across the front bench.
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But back to the point... I still haven't seen a single Scamp13 with a raised floor all the way across the front bench.
I'm not sure about that floyd, you may be right. But there are not that many 72 and 73 Scamps around.

Before my HD crash last year I knew I had many pictures of many of the various years of Scamp. I was tracking subtle changes, like windows, decals etc. Much like David Tilston does with the Trilliums. I have not transferred over all the recovered photo's to my new HD as of yet.

I was assuming that on a "startup venture", one would not retool the frame and front bench molds right off the bat.
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I'm not sure about that floyd, you may be right. But there are not that many 72 and 73 Scamps around.

Before my HD crash last year I knew I had many pictures of many of the various years of Scamp. I was tracking subtle changes, like windows, decals etc. Much like David Tilston does with the Trilliums. I have not transferred over all the recovered photo's to my new HD as of yet.

I was assuming that on a "startup venture", one would not retool the frame and front bench molds right off the bat.
Of course you can't be sure of what I've seen!
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I did a quick search on Greg's site for 72 and 73 Scamps. Very few show the front bench in entirety. I saw a few that show the top edge of a door in the middle of the front bench but the pictures did not show how far down the door went.

OTOH I did find a sole 1973 that shows the entire front bench with no middle door. It also has the inset rear lights. 1973 13' Scamp Travel Trailer | Iowa | Fiberglass RV's For Sale

It is possible, the trailer has been restickered to become a Scamp. Some of the ones listed as early Scamps were actually Love Bugs. Windows and outie rear lights were the clue to identification.

Scamp says they made about 130 trailers in the first year of production. No indication of if that was the latter part of the 1972 calendar year which is likely based on the serial numbers of the boler American. The numbers could also state a model production year which may not match a calendar year. Or it could be like the Trilliums which appear to go by their initial sale date. David Tilston has been able to demonstrate that by comparing design features and serial numbers.
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I did a quick search on Greg's site for 72 and 73 Scamps. Very few show the front bench in entirety. I saw a few that show the top edge of a door in the middle of the front bench but the pictures did not show how far down the door went.

OTOH I did find a sole 1973 that shows the entire front bench with no middle door. It also has the inset rear lights. 1973 13' Scamp Travel Trailer | Iowa | Fiberglass RV's For Sale

It is possible, the trailer has been restickered to become a Scamp. Some of the ones listed as early Scamps were actually Love Bugs. Windows and outie rear lights were the clue to identification.

Scamp says they made about 130 trailers in the first year of production. No indication of if that was the latter part of the 1972 calendar year which is likely based on the serial numbers of the boler American. The numbers could also state a model production year which may not match a calendar year. Or it could be like the Trilliums which appear to go by their initial sale date. David Tilston has been able to demonstrate that by comparing design features and serial numbers.
Getting accurate information on a small company start-up can be difficult, since they are very busy just trying to make it work from day to day.

Everything you have found in your research may well be correct, or part of it... or none of it. It took a forty years, a new website, and hand-me-down memories from a former generation to get what is now the official story of Scamp's beginnings.

Even Ford Motor Company has errors in it's archives so that even official figures can be wrong , and they're a little larger than Scamp.

BTW; below is a picture of my 1973 LoveBug , made in Iowa by a single proprietor. Notice that it does not have the "signature eyebrow" over the front window. Surely there are more like it, but I haven't seen one.
It did have the lowered floor in the middle of the front bench. (Sorry no picture available)
Notice the windows.... I actually have seen a couple of Scamps with those windows, both 1976s. Everything else unusual that you see is likely one of my mods.

Some details of any fiberglass trailer will always remain a mystery...But, I applaud your efforts.
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I did a quick search on Greg's site for 72 and 73 Scamps. Very few show the front bench in entirety. I saw a few that show the top edge of a door in the middle of the front bench but the pictures did not show how far down the door went.

OTOH I did find a sole 1973 that shows the entire front bench with no middle door. It also has the inset rear lights. 1973 13' Scamp Travel Trailer | Iowa | Fiberglass RV's For Sale

It is possible, the trailer has been restickered to become a Scamp. Some of the ones listed as early Scamps were actually Love Bugs. Windows and outie rear lights were the clue to identification.

Scamp says they made about 130 trailers in the first year of production. No indication of if that was the latter part of the 1972 calendar year which is likely based on the serial numbers of the boler American. The numbers could also state a model production year which may not match a calendar year. Or it could be like the Trilliums which appear to go by their initial sale date. David Tilston has been able to demonstrate that by comparing design features and serial numbers.
That's cool! That's the first one I've seen with that bench style,
Problem is I don't recall ever seeing those taillights on a Scamp...Boler maybe? Another little mystery which may be the exception which proves the rule or rebadge? Looks authentic though doesn't it? Sorta
Notice that the word Scamp is the "small script" which usually appears on the front or the gravel guard.
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How are people installing the front dinette mounting without going through the side wall?

How do people mount the bases?
Take out the existing bench. It is screwed into some wood strips that are fiberglassed to in the inside of the walls. Its call "tabbing." There are plenty of threads on it. I used the exisiting supports, but I highly suggest tabbing in supports that are higher up the wall. West System Epoxy also has step by step videos on how to do it. It is very easy.
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... below is a picture of my 1973 LoveBug , made in Iowa by a single proprietor. Notice that it does not have the "signature eyebrow" over the front window. Surely there are more like it, but I haven't seen one.
It did have the lowered floor in the middle of the front bench. (Sorry no picture available)
I'm not sure where you get the signature eyebrow on the Love Bug from. Tri-Fab that made the Love Bug also had an early fire. The newspaper report has both boler Americans and Love Bugs being on location. I'm going to suggest that the Love Bug front was modified in the window area, post fire, if new molds had to be made. I believe the "eyebrow" is the distinguishing feature of the Trail Mite. Matt H that was doing the research on these trailers disappeared after posting a series of pictures showing some of the differences.
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I'm not sure where you get the signature eyebrow on the Love Bug from. Tri-Fab that made the Love Bug also had an early fire. The newspaper report has both boler Americans and Love Bugs being on location. I'm going to suggest that the Love Bug front was modified in the window area, post fire, if new molds had to be made. I believe the "eyebrow" is the distinguishing feature of the Trail Mite. Matt H that was doing the research on these trailers disappeared after posting a series of pictures showing some of the differences.
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Take another look at the LoveBug pictured, it has a Boss over the front window which I referred to as the "eyebrow"... the Trail Mite looks more like a prosthetic forehead!

Maybe this is where they got the idea...

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Take another look at the LoveBug pictured, it has a Boss over the front window which I referred to as the "eyebrow"... the Trail Mite looks more like a prosthetic forehead!
The boss is a boss, the prosthetic forehead you refer to is what the rest of us call the eyebrow.
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The boss is a boss, the prosthetic forehead you refer to is what the rest of us call the eyebrow.
Ok; whatever... but once again, digression confounds the point. I'm sure you now know to what I was referring... A unique LoveBug feature which was not present on mine.
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Ok; whatever... but once again, digression confounds the point. I'm sure you now know to what I was referring... A unique LoveBug feature which was not present on mine.
OK Floyd,
I'm going to go out on a limb here with some postulation. I'm going to suggest that your Love Bug was either a rebranded boler American or a very early initial production Love Bug.

Very early in the Love Bug history there was a fire that destroyed the plant. The newspaper article refers to a number of both Boler Americans and Love Bugs being saved by towing them away from the fire. Here is a link to what I posted from the newspaper articles before:
How many Boler AMERICANS are out there?

Now Roger C H posted some linking information he retrieved from his online newspaper searches. A Short Boler History which I quote:
The Oelwein Daily Register Ė Saturday, November 27, 1971
Kansas firm purchases Iowa Portable Mill

Iowa Portable Mill Mfg Co, Oelwein, acquired by Eleanor International, Inc, Wichita, KS. Boler American Corporation, a subsidiary of Eleanor and marketer in the US of a FG camping and travel trailer has placed an order with Iowa PM for 5000 trailer frames to be delivered during the next 12 months.
This order expected to quadruple Iowa PMís sales to nearly $1,000,000. Frames will be shipped to production plants at Tripoli, IA, Aurora, NE and Backus, MN.

So what makes me say that about your trailer? Reading between the lines on the first newspaper link above. Tri-Fab made the Love Bug from September 1972 until the fire on Monday July 30, 1973. I'm assuming the molds were lost because they only spoke of saving trailers.

Interesting that we have a new member Carl Brooks that has kindly posted pictures of his newly acquired 1973 Love Bug. His shows the "window boss" and the raised floor under the front bench seat. I'm thinking that his is the new or post fire body using the old frames mentioned above.
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