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Old 04-06-2008, 01:50 AM   #1
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I had two Scamp projects to work on today. One was to finish cutting and gluing the wood parts of our new bathroom door together. It is coming along very well and should be ready for wood stain tomorrow.


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Back -- Unstained with oak wood stripe down middle & standoffs for towel rail at top and middle, but without the punched panels.


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Front -- Unstained with punched metal panels and mirror

The other project was to make five upper kitchen cabinet doors. They're all identical, 11" wide by 9-1/2" tall doors, so I decided to mass produce them. You know: cut all the top pieces at the same time, the bottom pieces, etc., glue the six pieces each that make the five back halves of the door, then the six that make the front halves. My next step was to glue the ten half-doors together to make five doors . . . they're looking really sharp . . . except it is just now I realize that all the doors I've made for the scamp so far have the wood running a different direction. So they're going to look really sharp, but won't match the rest of the woodwork.


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What my doors & drawer fronts are supposed to look like


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How these doors came out

Grrrrr! I'll re-make them correctly next weekend, but these are so close I may as well finish gluing them together so someone else can use them. They'd make excellent picture frames that exactly replace the Scamp upper kitchen cabinet doors . . .

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Old 04-06-2008, 06:16 AM   #2
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That's the trouble with doing beautiful work at such a high level, Peter; the doors you've produced are a disappointment because the wood grain is the incorrect orientation. If I had made them, I'd marvel that they fit without taking the belt-sander to them 8-).
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Old 04-06-2008, 07:46 AM   #3
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ahhhh measure twice, cut once? I agree with Cam, tho in my case I'd probably have to be satisfied with gaps ...

Someone is going to have nice picture frames and a story to go along with 'em.
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That last picture is just pattern testing, right?
They're going to look great when you're finished and have them installed.
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Peter, just a thought, but on top you have a piece of wood going all the way to both sides and on bottom is wood between side pieces. When the side pieces expand and contract, they may split if they are glued to the top piece, which will be stable.

Otherwise, they are going to look great.
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Peter, .. I may be dense.. are you trying to point out the skinny bits are supposed to be the top and bottoms, and the fat bits are the sides, but you put them together the exact opposite?
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Peter, .. I may be dense.. are you trying to point out the skinny bits are supposed to be the top and bottoms, and the fat bits are the sides, but you put them together the exact opposite?
Yup, that's it. It might sound like overkill, but it'd drive me batty every time I looked at them if I didn't redo them to match. I've only got about 1-1/2 hours of shop time invested in them thus far, so it's not a huge loss.

What confuses -- or bemuses -- me is the transformation in attitude. I used to tell Lynne not to stress on decorating the trailer too much because -- and this is exactly how I put it -- its only a camper trailer. A tent on wheels. A warm, dry place to eat, catch a few ZZZZ, and hide when it's rainy outside and we don't want to go hiking or adventuring. The only thing I planned on doing was making the space more usable. Not glitzy or chic (though certainly not ugly, either) just functional and easy to look at.

I bought several sheets of pre-finished hardwood plywood from the factory-seconds shop because it was strong, lightweight, dirt-cheap and wouldn't require a lot of effort to finish it, then I got to work.

I added a laundry hamper to the loft design because it was just so damn useful to have one. Ditto the drawers and loft cabinets.

I decided on a drawer and cabinet door design that used punched aluminum sheets for much of the door front because it is very light, strong, and would to allow air to circulate and fight back against mold growing in the trailer while in storage here in the Pacific NorthWet.

So now, when I see a cool, curvy mirror at IKEA I think, "Hey we've been looking for a mirror in the Scamp . . ." I bring it home, attach it to the bathroom door, and the craftsman and artist in me thinks, "Hey, I could design a cool door around that . . ."

Somewhere along the way, our "tent on wheels" turned into a rolling pleasure palace. But, what the heck, I'm having fun!
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Peter, just a thought, but on top you have a piece of wood going all the way to both sides and on bottom is wood between side pieces. When the side pieces expand and contract, they may split if they are glued to the top piece, which will be stable.
The doors are a layered, with a second set of timber constructed upside-down from the front layer, then wood-glued together. It doesn't totally protect me from cracking at the joints, but it's a good start.

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Peter, .. I may be dense.. are you trying to point out the skinny bits are supposed to be the top and bottoms, and the fat bits are the sides, but you put them together the exact opposite?
Duohh! Ok, that's worse than wrong grain orientation; as you can tell, I wouldn't have noticed until I had them on. I will put on my "new" glasses prior to replying next time.
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The doors are a layered, with a second set of timber constructed upside-down from the front layer, then wood-glued together. It doesn't totally protect me from cracking at the joints, but it's a good start.
OK, that's all right -- That's one of the reasons they came up with plywood; grains running in both directions make for more stable wood.

I think what you are seeing in your attitude is the difference between (perhaps male trait) indifference to your surroundings and pride of workmanship. If someone else built it, eventually you would become accustomed to it.
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Ah Peter, just paint them white... no one will notice the grain or thickness of the wood.... just the WHITE!

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Ah Peter, just paint them white... no one will notice the grain or thickness of the wood.... just the WHITE!

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Oh no Donna, that is what the next owner does with them.....
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Oh no Donna, that is what the next owner does with them.....
That actually wouldn't bother me . . . I'd have made them differently if that was their original destiny, but the amount of work to this point would have been almost the same.

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Hi: Peter... When I'm done reno-ing our house bathroom...MEGA$$$$ I'll send you the measurements of all our cabinet doors from the Boler and you can make me a set o doors as there won't be any $$$$ left in the kitty. LoL p.s. the mactac is peeling and the grains aren't all going the same way either!!!
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Why not make all the frame pieces the same? Make all your styles [sides] full length and all your rails [cross pieces] to fit between. You could cut all your woodwork the same at one time and then cut the multiple lengths that you need. Make it about 2 1/4" to 2 1/2" and all should look good. A lot of pre made doors are made with a wide bottom rail so that you can cut to fit after you take it home.
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Why not make all the frame pieces the same? Make all your styles [sides] full length and all your rails [cross pieces] to fit between. You could cut all your woodwork the same at one time and then cut the multiple lengths that you need. Make it about 2 1/4" to 2 1/2" and all should look good. A lot of pre made doors are made with a wide bottom rail so that you can cut to fit after you take it home.
I could do that, but I've already made several doors and drawers already, and I want them all to match.

So here's what the "bad doors" look like (unsanded & unfinished):


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I'll get the whole lot of them (good and bad) sanded up, then stain and finish the "good" ones and install their center panels this weekend. Hopefully I'll also have time to do the sink-side lower cabinet doors before Northern Oregon Gathering (NOG) in a week and a half, too.

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And here's how the new doors -- second edition -- look in the kitchen.


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Got the last of the doors made and installed in the kitchen. Here's how the final product looks!


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The pots-n-pans cabinet has an organizer inside the door. The white enameled Masonite not only provides a spot where the utensil hangers can go, they also protect the aluminum mesh door fronts from getting dinged by shifting pots & pans.


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I made & mounted the knife block so that the blades point toward the hinges and so that if the knives bounce up and down while the trailer is in motion the handles bump against the fiberglass opening in the cabinet.

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Peter, it looks terrific and the utility/storage is an inspiration.

May I ask, what catches do you use on the doors? Are they strong enough to stay closed in travel?

I thought I might need to get those tension catches or whatever they are called, when I get to the doors on my "work in progress" but I prefer the simpler knobs like you have.
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