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Old 03-15-2013, 04:13 PM   #15
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I tried to "clean up" the inside of my 16' Scamp too. On my Scamp I had a 2" hitch welded on at the factory. I bought a 2X5 ft rack for the back of the scamp at Camping World and put a box with dishes, hoses, electrical cords, etc on the rack. I made only one trip with that set up as the trailer was swaying all over the road. I was NOT happy as the trailer was set up to haul things like this on the back. It did not work for me. Hoping you have better luck than I did. I have a rack to sell if anyone wants it. LOL
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Old 03-15-2013, 04:47 PM   #16
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The carrier on the back of the tug is not "a few" extra pounds - it is substantial load on a long lever arm (significantly further back than a normal tow ball position), and any reasonable mounting hardware will push the trailer's tongue weight further back as well. This is a Grand Cherokee; it might be different for a truck with twelve feet of wheelbase.
Agreed, but I've had several hundred pounds on a rack behind my little subaru (with no trailer). Reasonably packed, I still think they could pull a 13' scamp, although I would still much prefer to lengthen the trailer frame and throw it in front. The trailer will have to take some of the weight then, and it won't take away from tongue weight.

What tongue weight can a grand take?
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Old 03-15-2013, 05:02 PM   #17
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What tongue weight can a grand take?
Well, now- that's a good question.

The O.P. has a 2005 Grand Cherokee- no model specified. According to this link and depending on the model, tongue weight limit might be as high as 720 pounds!

But read the fine print in those specs:
Tongue weight must come right off the top of the
maximum payload for all models: 1100 pounds.

And since the tug's already towing a trailer (250 lb. tongue?) and carrying two adults, three dogs, bicycles, at least one kayak and perhaps a kitchen sink or two I'm wondering if they're not already barely inside the payload limit.

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Old 03-15-2013, 05:50 PM   #18
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Going back to the Tail Waggin' the Dog.

For every 100 lbs you put on the rear of the trailer frame you will have to put at least another 75 on the tongue to balance things out meaning, without any math involved, that you will have to add about 200 lbs for every 100 lbs of extra carrying capacity on the back. Sounds like one would get to the axle & tire limits in short order.

And wasn't there a Casita that had the frame shear off just in front of the coach????
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:32 PM   #19
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... we've considered fabricating a swivel wheel type trailer that would be an extension of the Burro frame...
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...we're very safely conscious so we wouldn't do something to jeopardize our travels or those around us...
I believe that a rearward extension of the trailer of a size sufficient to be useful is incompatible with safety. Even though much of the weight is not carried by the trailer when a "swivel wheel" unit is used, all of the mass is still added and acts like a big horizontal pendulum which the trailer must control, because that unit is riding on castered wheels.

A swivel/caster wheel dolly is very different from a typical tag axle. A storage box on the back and a real tag axle right behind the main axle would be much better... but I don't think anyone is likely to do that.

I realize that these devices are used successfully, but normally that is on a much larger trailer (in proportion to the caster-supported load, or directly on a motor vehicle with the stability of widely separated front and rear axles.

There have been previous discussions in FiberglassRV of these devices - search in the forum for "swivel wheel" to find at least some.
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:35 PM   #20
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Going back to the Tail Waggin' the Dog.

For every 100 lbs you put on the rear of the trailer frame you will have to put at least another 75 on the tongue to balance things out meaning, without any math involved, that you will have to add about 200 lbs for every 100 lbs of extra carrying capacity on the back. Sounds like one would get to the axle & tire limits in short order.

And wasn't there a Casita that had the frame shear off just in front of the coach????
That's why you would have to put it on the front.

What does a casita have to do with a burro? Modify the frame correctly, and it's a non-issue. Every model of tow vehicle on here has been rolled, doesn't mean you should worry about it.

The big question is what their max tongue weight can be and what it already is.

I'm with brian, I would be paranoid about the stresses a swivel setup would put on the camper, especially being so short already. I really think the only solution is to lengthen the front frame, tongue weight allowing.
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What about a receiver on the front of the tug, again assuming there's any weight-carrying capacity left there. I've seen motorcycles carried that way....

Think something as squatty as a front-carrier would obstruct the view of the road?

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Old 03-15-2013, 06:45 PM   #22
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"Modify the frame correctly" may be an understatement. There is only so much that you can do with the relatively light duty frames under most smaller eggs without actually starting out with an all new frame, especially for what the OP wants to do, which sounds like a better idea than several of those that weere mentioned.....

The Casita was mentioned only to point out that trailer frames are not impervious to damage from use, much less when overloaded..... The one I mentioned didn't roll nor was it involved in an accident, it snapped off just ahead of the front crossmember.
In fact I believe we have seen two like that, one a list members, the other one offered in the Govt. auction site.
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The hitch capacity will be for a load on a ball right behind the bumper, not for stuff a foot or two beyond it.

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Agreed, but I've had several hundred pounds on a rack behind my little subaru (with no trailer).
That "little" Subaru (if we're talking about a current style Legacy) is only an inch shorter in wheelbase than the 2005 Grand Cherokee. Yes, the Jeep has a big engine, but that does nothing for stability. Yes, the Jeep probably has a relatively high rear axle capacity, but the cargo box extends the ball mount out so the trailer is much more of a problem to control than it normally would be.

It might work; I just see real concerns with it.
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Here is a good link to a swivel trailer builders site with lots of answers about pulling a swivel wheel trailer behind a non-5th wheel travel trailer.
http://cruiserlift.site.aplus.net/si...quirements.pdf
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A front mount hitch on the Cherokee may be the easiest and safest way if your box isn't so large as to block the headlights.
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:09 PM   #26
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The hitch capacity will be for a load on a ball right behind the bumper, not for stuff a foot or two beyond it.


That "little" Subaru (if we're talking about a current style Legacy) is only an inch shorter in wheelbase than the 2005 Grand Cherokee. Yes, the Jeep has a big engine, but that does nothing for stability. Yes, the Jeep probably has a relatively high rear axle capacity, but the cargo box extends the ball mount out so the trailer is much more of a problem to control than it normally would be.

It might work; I just see real concerns with it.
Personally, I wouldn't use one of the those dual hitch things on anything, just on principle. It seems a leveraged, top heavy, wobbly affair just asking for trouble. Again, I say extend the frame and put it on front, assuming they have tongue weight under control.
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A front mount hitch on the Cherokee may be the easiest and safest way if your box isn't so large as to block the headlights.

I made the mistake of mounting a spare tire on the front of my van and it lost a significant amount of cooling because the tire blocked air flow to the radiator.
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I made the mistake of mounting a spare tire on the front of my van and it lost a significant amount of cooling because the tire blocked air flow to the radiator.
True. Something that needs to be taken into consideration. Though with all they're hauling they probably won't be going that fast anyways. Course depending on the distance between the grill and the box it might not be too bad.
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