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Old 02-04-2015, 01:08 PM   #29
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In 1911 Clarence Figmore proposed an auxiliary vehicle towed behind a motorcar. There was much opposition as many thought their horses to be at risk if the connection mechanism were to fail. In spite of the opposition, the "traylor" was invented and as predicted there are many fewer horses on the public throughfares.🐴
In my past life, I was involved in altering trailer axil toe-in on 2 occasions. The work involved delicate tools such as torches, large hammers, trees and hydraulic jacks, but the outcome was positive. I miss plundering and decimating all of that old equipment with my Dad.


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Old 02-04-2015, 01:33 PM   #30
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Can't say that I have ever heard of Toe-In on a trailer axle (Meaning that the tires are closer together at the front than at the back) I was under the impression that toe-in was reserved for steering axles as is caster.
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But I have had to deal with camber and reverse camber on trailers in the past, where the bottom of the tire is closer to the other than the top or vice-versa.
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Old 02-04-2015, 01:50 PM   #31
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Look here:
The ultimate single wheel trailer system.
It attaches to the camper and actually extends the length of the camper and is not a trailer.
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Old 02-04-2015, 02:15 PM   #32
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Toe-out is a problem, and forcing toe-in is a solution. Toe-out can cause instability as explained way above. Wheel bearings are never totally tight ( you tighten them to a torque, and then back them off slightly so the bearing isn't so tight that it wears quickly). When a wheel is rolling down the road there is a frictional force rearward on the tire and the center of that force is just forward of the contact patch. That frictional force acting against the slightly loose bearing results in a slight amount of toe-out and a slight amount of negative camber. Most axle manufacturers when welding the spindles will add some toe-in to compensate.
At the cost of increased tire wear, unstable trailers can be tamed by adding toe-in.

http://trailer-bodybuilders.com/dist...mc-manual-and-

There is a utube video "Trailer Axil Straightening" showing a method of adjusting toe that is much more civilized than my Dad's hammer and tree method.

I'm guessing Gwolfe is not planning on double towing in rush hour freeway conditions, but just getting his ATV to the lake. If the rig is stable, he shouldn't wipe out too many horses.🐴


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Old 02-04-2015, 02:41 PM   #33
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It attaches to the camper and actually extends the length of the camper and is not a trailer.

It attaches to the camper and actually extends the length of the camper and is not a trailer.[/QUOTE]

To use the technical term "Ain't Gonna Happen".
Single wheel trailers require a license plate and anything you tow behind will be called trailer. In many states even a slide in camper has to have it's own license plate.

The basic rule is, if it puts a wheel on the main road, it's a vehicle.
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If it looks like a trailer and rolls like a trailer and quacks like a trailer, it's a trailer.
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:04 PM   #34
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Here is another site that has swivel wheel devices to connect to the back of your camper. It should answer if you need a licanse plate or whatever when connected to the back of your camper. Some connect and just lengthin the camper so look for yourself.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:00 PM   #35
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That's the same link I posted back on post #15, and it only gives the manufacturers opinion.


And, the mfg basically sez that it's not for "Lite" 5th wheel trailers, which certainly rules out the Scamp 19 being discussed. They also suggest that it's "Their opinion" that it's an extension, but acknowledge that some states may disagree.
Here's material edited out of their literature:


We have always tried to be up front and inform the customer of the requirements of the towing vehicle. Even though the Swivelwheel system was originally designed for the fifth wheel travel trailer market, there are some fifth wheel trailers that should be avoided, especially in regards to the Swivelwheel-58, Swivelwheel-58DW systems. These are the "Lite" trailers made for towing behind compact, mid-sized, and 1/2 ton pickups. These are usually below 30 feet in length and have GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) weight in the 7000-8000 pound range. It would be possible to remove enough king pin weight to make the trailer fishtail. Fishtailing is not a good sign for a fifth wheel. Once a trailer fishtails to a certain degree of angle, basically, there is no recovering. You are just along for the ride until the trailer finishes what it is going to do.




A frequent question asked is if the Swivelwheel system is legal to tow in all states. There are basically 22 states that do not allow double trailer towing, which some call "Triple Towing". These states are the entire east coast from Maine to Florida, Oregon and Washington. We consider the system an extension of the fifth wheel chassis frame. We do not consider it a trailer...... Some states may not have that same view. Always check with the states that you are traveling through for details.


Lets see: Does it have a hitch? Yes. Does it have a tire on the road? Yes.
Sounds like a trailer to moi......

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Old 02-04-2015, 09:08 PM   #36
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Yah, but it doesn't have a trailer license, so it can't be a trailer.
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Looks like this one's going sideways now. Like the dog that won't let go of the bone........begining to sound like my ex
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Old 02-06-2015, 10:03 PM   #38
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In Kansas if the trailer is under 2000 lbs no tag is required, we have generic "Under 2M" tags that we put on these trailers or have no tag at all. I used the generic tag on my old pop up when traveling out of state and had no problems.

Back to the OT, I emailed Scamp and they said double towing not recommended with the 19, good enough for me.

Right now I do load my ATV into the back of my truck when we go camping and ATVing, just looking for different options.
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Old 02-07-2015, 09:17 AM   #39
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I've pulled my flat trailer with my 4wheeler on it behind my Scamp one or two times under special situations.. evacuating from rising river waters. It was only short distance of 9 miles controlled access roads with low speed limit.
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An answer from Idaho Tote:

Good Day Sir:
The Idaho Tote is manufactured as an extension thus we have a place at the rear of the Idaho Tote for the plate off of you 5th wheel.
Some States, as you know, do not allow triple towing. I believe that this is noteworthy. In the 9 years and 250 units on the road today, we do not know of anyone cited for using an Idaho Tote
You thoughts Please.

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Old 02-16-2015, 03:08 PM   #41
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I can't say that just because it has a place for a license plate is any suggestion that it can be treated as an "extension" of a trailer simply by moving the plate to that location. That's no different than any trailer I have ever seen and what is required to tow one behind a standard vehicle in most (if not all) states. Even a simple Tow Dolly requires a separate plate in most states.


And he isn't really saying that it allows using it in a state that doesn't allow triple towing either. If the manufacturer really believed that, they would have gathered up the necessary DMV regulations to use as a sales tool. Or at least warrant that feature for selected states where it was known to be accepted. And, what 5th wheel owner wouldn't want to know the states into which they could tow without risking a citation?


Here's a link, but don't miss the set up that has someone towing a pick-up truck behind an Idaho Tote that is attached to a Class "A" motorhome.


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Old 02-16-2015, 04:49 PM   #42
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The Idaho Tote sure is an interesting idea. If I see it somewhere I want to take a close look at the undercarriage and how it is made to follow both forward and reverse. The difference that I see here, and it is a huge one in terms of dynamics of towing, is that it is attached at two points, instead of one, not like normal trailers and dollies. My Scamp frame sure would not be strong enough to handle something like it, and they would probably tell me that much. There is probably a neat little disclaimer in the sales contract to protect them from frivolous suits. Who is to say how safe is it in use? Probably as safe as pretty much anything else on the highway. Less than 100%. Just my .02%
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