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Old 02-05-2013, 04:07 PM   #57
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I'm no electrical expert as will probably soon be evident, but:

A 60 amp converter paired with a 30 amp distribution center seems counterintuitive to me...what am I missing here????

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Old 02-05-2013, 04:54 PM   #58
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Brandon,

There is almost nothing in a stock Trillium 1300, or 4500 that could be called a distribution panel. Since there are 3 or 4 outlets, they typically are not necessary. A box that holds a breaker would do. The over current protection that came stock with my 4500 was a 10A push button breaker that was built into the converter.

The 60 amps referred to here is the DC current, the 30 amps is AC. Both are kinda overkill. 30A AC service will allow you to run an 1100W microwave, or kettle and a cube heater at the same time. I personally have never done that. 60A of DC power is more then I can even think of a use for. DC power from a converter will usually run the 12V lights and a power vent fan. I can't think of anything else that would use 12V when you have 120VAC available.

Looking at the PowerMax website:
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I don't see that any of their products are multi stage chargers. Sure 14.4 VDC will charge your battery, but typically you want something that manages the charge so that your battery does not get over charged. This greatly increases the battery life.
The PD4645 has a 4 stage charger. It also comes with a DC fuse board. They aren't cheep though.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:08 PM   #59
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David, the powermax has a 4 stage, its not on their website that i could see but if you look here PowerMax Boondocker Converters
you can see the one i'm looking at.

with the pd4645 that comes with the dc fuse board, wouldn't i need an ac breaker somewhere else? your right: i'll only have 4 or so outlets in the trailer, this is why i thought it overkill to have such a large distro panel..

Could i just get the PD4645, and nothing else? no other panels or controllers or anything? This seems like the way to go as i could mount it anywhere so easily.. If i have an inverter hooked up, randy said i'd need to be able to switch off the converter? does that make sense? doesn't look like the PD 4645 has a switch for this.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:17 PM   #60
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I would get a two breaker plastic breaker box, or two push button breakers that can be mounted in holes drilled in a convent place. One breaker for your plugs, and one for the converter. Which ever one you choose.
A main breaker should be used as well. In my case, I only have a 15A power inlet on my trailer, so my main breaker would be 15A, and each of my branch breakers would be 15A.
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:43 AM   #61
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I have a Trillium 5500, and I run it on a 15 amp AC input, to my distribution panel, then I feed a PD 9245 converter. this has served me well for the past 3 years, and I see no need to upsize any further
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:06 PM   #62
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What type of distribution panels are you guys using? I can't seem to find a plastic breaker box or anything of the sort, i can find separate DC fuse blocks, isn't there small separate units? i only plan to have a 15 amp main coming in as well, but the smallest distro panel i can find is this one: PD5000 30 Amp AC/DC Power Control Panel which seems to be built for a 30 amp main, and is way overkill for what i need. I imagine i'll have a breaker for the main coming in, and then 1 or 2 15 amp ac circuits in the trailer. and a few DC circuits for the lights and possibly a car stereo.

Is there a distro panel that small on the market that you guys have seen? if not, any idea where i can get just a separate little breaker panel for the three AC breakers?

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Old 02-09-2013, 03:13 PM   #63
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Brandon, I re-used the old distribution panel from my Trillium, I just removed the old converter section and replaced it with the new PD9245. Do a search locally- kijiji for rv converters, you'll find something

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Old 02-09-2013, 05:21 PM   #64
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Hey Joe, i'd considered that. I'd prefer some new switch style AC breakers and 12vdc fuses though. I'd really like to find a small version of this: PD5000 Series Combination AC/DC Power Control Center and if i cannot, i'll end up just getting a very basic 12vdc fuse block, and a separate case or something (can't find yet) to hold the ac breakers.

I'd like to just hide this under a rear seat, and then use the original converter location for something else that needs to be on the face of the cabinet (ie car stereo, etc.)

anyone seen anything like a smaller pd5000?
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Is there a distro panel that small on the market that you guys have seen? if not, any idea where i can get just a separate little breaker panel for the three AC breakers?

Thanks!
My UHaul just uses a standard double outlet box for the AC side. There is a GFCI outlet on one side and a push button breaker on the other side. It would be easy to make from standard electrical parts.

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try one of the local scrapyards, someone has to have some dead RV's My old converter was a PD7200 series, I kept the front, added the new converter and have been happy so far. A new system like the : Inteli-PowerŪ 4000 Series Fro PD might be what you need.

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I have a spare breaker box that came with the Trillium furnace that I bought. Since I paied nothing for it, it is yours for the taking. It has knockouts for 5 breakers, but only space inside for three. I am in Calgary, PM me if you want to come pick it up.
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That looks great, i sent you a PM David, thanks!
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:58 AM   #69
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I meant to update this thread earlier.

As I posted earlier I don't think the Progressive Dynamics 4000 series would have fit in the old space, and I really didn't want to put it anywhere else. The 4000's want more than 8 inches of height (on the front at least). That's just too tall for that spot.

I ended-up buying a PD4645. The 4600 series are upgrade kits for a specific set of older converter chargers. Being an upgrade kit, it splits the converter/charger into two separate pieces that end up connected together inside whatever converter/charger is being upgraded (it replaces the guts of these older converter chargers). Obviously I wasn't upgrading anything, so it seemed wrong, but looking at the measurements on the Progressive Dynamics web site, it looked like the main part of the upgrade kit would fit in that space below the furnace and then I could fit the other piece of the upgrade behind it where I could get to it from the access door on the side... so I went for it.

It worked perfectly. I had to slightly enlarge the hole where the old converter was in order to slide in the new converter. The depth was exact - the back wall of the converter sits against the wheel well. The front sticks out from the wall an eighth to a quarter inch, but it appears, from where the mounting holes are located on the front, that it was meant to do that. I covered the front with a baseboard vent. The vent has some depth to cover the sticking-out converter. Home Depot had the vent. It looks great - like it was meant to be.

That was only part of the install, though. The other piece of the upgrade kit is a circuit board for the 12V connections and fuses and for the battery connection. I mounted that board to a piece of wood which I then stuck to the wheel well behind the converter with epoxy. This way, I have access to the circuit board from the door on the side, beneath the closet (the one right at the trailer entrance). You need that access to make your connections, replace fuses and to see the charge status light. There's a green LED on the circuit board that lets you know what it's doing to your battery (it blinks slow or fast or not at all, depending on the charge status).

I'm super-happy with how the installation turned-out and it works really well.
THANKS I AM ORDERING THIS SAME UNIT To put in my new but old 1977 4500 trillium , As I just sold my 73 Boler after a complete renewal It looked like a NEW UNIT You may see it around some day it is called OUR MINI PREVOEST # 1 Thanks again fer the info Allan Kay Member
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