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Old 09-14-2013, 11:12 AM   #15
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Hmmmm

We fire up our electric start 4 gallon LP hot water heater when we arrive at a site and, by the time we get the shower tent set up and are wanting to use it, the LP has cycled off already. If we take two showers back-to-back (actually usually front-to-front, but that's TMI I guess) it cycles one time. We then turn it off until we need it again. And yes, there is an ON/OFF control on the shower want.

We will still have warm water in the morning for washing up & dishes, and hot water less than 10 minutes later if needed. But it's turned off most of the time. But I can see how a pilot start heater could become a bit of a pain.

But the kind of showers you are talking about are not in our vocabulary anyhooo. Our shower times are usually more limited by how much water is in the holding tank and where it can be drained to, than by the water heater. We never hook up to city water and, in fact, when I replumbed the Hunter Compact-II I didn't even include a city water input connection.
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I had a Girard tankless in my Lance 1575, it comes on every time you turn on the hot water and runs for about 30 seconds, like washing hands or rinsing dishes. In addition, when you shower you only use the hot side, you regulate the temperature with the volume, more water cooler the flow, less water, hotter. Having one is also like your pump, it comes on every time you use the water if not hooked up. Also if the kitchen is on the curb side, your vent will also be on the curb side. These are some of the negatives, positives, I can not think of any so I'd rather have the conventional type.
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:17 AM   #17
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These are some of the negatives, positives, I can not think of any so I'd rather have the conventional type.
I can recall camping beside a Class "A" with one of these and everytime they turned the hot water ON, it came on with almost a roar, I think it could drown out a generator.
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:46 AM   #18
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I know this not applicable to sombody with a family. But on my Nomad I have a small 4 gallon hot water heater its old school with a pilot light. When I get to camp and hooked up to water I get the hot water heater going get to cycle off when the water comes up to temp. Then in the morning I turn it to pilot. You would not beleive how hot that pilot keeps the water. When I get back to the camp site I have plenty of hot water to do the dishes and what ever elese I need done. It really saves on the propane. But I camp alone. So with a family you could do this during the day when you leave and turn it back on on when you get back if you had an old style hot water heater. I realize most hot water heaters have the control board now days for the ignition system. But anybody with old school this really saves the propane especially if your dry camping.
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So, maybe the pilot light models are better in keeping it warmer vs the pilotless models which save on fuel?
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So, maybe the pilot light models are better in keeping it warmer vs the pilotless models which save on fuel?
This is my experence on this. I usualy go up to the Pacific North West in the fall or late fall it is usually cold and rainy . I can go to my camp spot hook up the water, light the pilot and get then get the burner going. As soon as its up to temp and the thermo coupler shuts off the burner I go out and turn it to pilot. The pilot keeps the water very stable and I am able to wash dishes and clean when I get back to the camp spot and usually have hot water left over. I found this out by accident.

I really saves on the propane. If you have a family turn the burner back on to do your showers if you are showering and then turn it back on pilot when your done. You will have ample water to do dishes at night with just the pilot.

I like old school mechanical hot water heaters anyway. Nothing is more irratating that having a control board going out when out in the middle of noware when you need hot water. Not only that but you have to run wiring for installation if this unit has never had a hot water installed.

Its simple and easy to service if anything goes out on it. Most hard ware stores will have a thermocoupler instock if that goes out if there is not a RV repair center around.

Most problems with mechanical heaters are usually just dirt and a plugged jet.

My Nomad still retains the original 1987 heater. I clean it ever year and service it flush and blow it out. The only thing I have replaced is the pressure releif valve. Its always done me good!
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I think that I would have to run that test with and without the pilot light on first. The pilot is only about 100 BTU and that's not going to do much to keep 4 gallons of water warm in cool ambient temp. In addition, the pilot is almost right at the open end of the fire tube. As I mentioned, the insulation alone will keep 4 gallons warm all night.

We couldn't get a 4 gallon electric light water heater when I put one in the Lil' Bigfoot and found it was a lot more inconvenient to have to go outside to turn the heater on and off, especialy when it's below 30 in the mornings. With the electric start I can reach the switch without even getting out of bed, just hearing it flame up makes you feel warmer.

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I guess you would have to try it Bob first to find out for your self. But I have done this for years and it has worked wonderfully for me.

My method would work very good if your dry camping. For me it's works. Its tried and true. And really saves on the propane if your boon docking.

What works for me may not work for sombody else. But if sombody wanted somthing simple and there was not a hot water installed before I think old school hot water heater is the way to go. Its simple and very few parts to wear out. And its a lot cheaper.

I have done this up in the North West where is gets very cool to cold at night and its always done me good.

The only draw back it in extream side wind blows out the pilot, but I beleive they make a deflection sheild for the vents on the doors if memory serves me right.

But 99.9 precent of the time the pilot has stayed lit.
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It seems that nobody posting in this thread has voiced any concern for the effects on the environment that an outside shower tent causes. Allowing untreated water to discharge directly on the ground is actually illegal in most places, and in bad taste everywhere, even when boon-docking. You are crapping up the very places you are trying to escape to and enjoy, and not just for yourselves, but for everyone else as well. And yes, for the record, shower water is untreated water (gray water.) Do you also throw your empty beer bottles in the bushes too? It's a disgusting way to treat the earth and shows little respect for nature and other campers.
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I don't know about the others but with my shower tent I stand in a blue walmart bin and catch my shower water then I dump it in to a 5 gallon gray water toat for disposal later.
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I catch the shower water in a plastic bin and dump it into the sink. And I pick up beer bottles from the bushes that idiots toss there.
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It seems that nobody posting in this thread has voiced any concern for the effects on the environment that an outside shower tent causes. Allowing untreated water to discharge directly on the ground is actually illegal in most places, and in bad taste everywhere, even when boon-docking. You are crapping up the very places you are trying to escape to and enjoy, and not just for yourselves, but for everyone else as well. And yes, for the record, shower water is untreated water (gray water.) Do you also throw your empty beer bottles in the bushes too? It's a disgusting way to treat the earth and shows little respect for nature and other campers.
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Your question is a good one, unfortunately your attitude and assumptions aren't.

Outside shower tents cause no harm whatsoever to the environment, however users of same may do so.....

As for us, we use either a plastic kiddie pool or an inflatable mini-pool to catch our shower water which we can then bail out either with a tupperware container and a 5 gallon pail or we can pump it into the larger container using a Zodi shower pump.

And, unless you know something the rest of us don't know about someone, making the jump from shower water to irresponsible alcohol consumption is just plain rude and uncalled for.....
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Your question is a good one, unfortunately your attitude and assumptions aren't.

Outside shower tents cause no harm whatsoever to the environment, however users of same may do so.....

As for us, we use either a plastic kiddie pool or an inflatable mini-pool to catch our shower water which we can then bail out either with a tupperware container and a 5 gallon pail or we can pump it into the larger container using a Zodi shower pump.

And, unless you know something the rest of us don't know about someone, making the jump from shower water to irresponsible alcohol consumption is just plain rude and uncalled for.....

Bob I got your back on this one.

I could not agree you with more. Here Here!
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Sorry if I came off seeming to be presumptive. Mea Culpa. But there are also many who are not as conscientious about their "run-off" as most of you fine folks. Still, I did make a blanket statement, and I am sorry to those I may have offended. Just trying to stick up for Mother Nature, not trying to berate anyone.
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