Will new Scamp Entry door Hinges fit on an 1981 13' Boler? - Fiberglass RV


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Old 01-12-2012, 06:13 PM   #1
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Question Will new Scamp Entry door Hinges fit on an 1981 13' Boler?

Hello,

I bought an 81 boler off an older fella in my area. its missing the original hinges but otherwise the trailer is in excellent condition.

anyways, the original owner must have had issues with the original hinge balls wearing out and didn't know they could be replaced? not to sure. but he didn't have the originals anymore they threw them out apparently. so what they did was weld up some inside door hinges to plates that where at the rough angles needed to fit the boler. they are awful and don't work to well. the door doesn't fit perfect due to this and its doesn't look right either. haha

I figured i'd buy a pair of Scamp hinges and was sure they'd fit because I've seen these on other bolers, but I was speaking to Paul Neumeister today and he said they won't work. they aren't at the right angles and would bind on me.

So i'm wondering if anyone else has done this? do they need modding? or will they just work without issue?

I need a pair before the camping season and would like to know if i'm going to have issues before i go and order a pair.

if you have any idea or can give me some input i'd really appreciate it.

If someone has a pair of used Boler hinges and wants to sell please let me know also. i'll buy them.

thanks for your time,


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Old 01-13-2012, 06:00 PM   #2
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Well that seems to be the only option and I was under the impression that the Scamp was molded from Boler molds anyway. That said I have my original 1972 hinges but they do need to be rebuilt.
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Old 01-14-2012, 12:55 PM   #3
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hi Greg,

well the original Scamps were the same as the Bolers, but i guess there was a fire at some point in time, I think it was in the 90's sometime (but don't quote me) anyways, they had to redo their molds, so all the angles have changed, they are taller and look a bit different overall compared to the original scamps/bolers.

so that is why these hinges are in question.

would you happen to want sell your old hinges Greg??? pm me with price. i'd be happy to buy them.

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Old 01-14-2012, 02:18 PM   #4
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Joel, the 13 foot Scamp is taller after the fire (January 2006). Now it's the same as the 16 footer. But, Scamp has always sold just one kind of hinge and they fit both the 13 footer and the 16 footer (not two different kinds). Scamp has been willing to sell exterior entry doors to Boler owners (with a caveat), so I don't know why the hinges wouldn't fit too with some fillin'/drillin' and slightly different placement. Still something to consider if you can't find Boler hinges.

My friend Sandy says to check Bolerama for the number of people who've used Scamp hinges on their Bolers, if you're still in doubt.
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Old 01-16-2012, 07:10 PM   #5
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I put Scamp hinges on my 73 Boler and the top hinge has to come down about 3/4 of an inch and the bottom hinge has to go up about 2 inches or the door will not clear the belly band when the door is opened cause the Scamp hinges are shorter.
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Old 01-16-2012, 08:37 PM   #6
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I put the Scamp hinges on my 72 Boler--they work great. I don't know about placement as my old door had several sets of holes from the PO's apparent past attempts at various hinges. When I got the Boler, it had wide gate hinges on it which pried on the door when opening it. The distance in from the edge is a bit different, I believe--the guy from Scamp was very helpful on the phone. I put the hinges on the trailer first, then held the door in place to line up.
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Old 01-16-2012, 09:03 PM   #7
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Hi Craig and Sheryl,

thank you both for the replys, wondering if you two could maybe measure the hinge placement for me sometime?

looking for a measurement from the top of the belly band to the center of the bottom bolt on the top hinge(body side) and a measurement from the top of the belly band to the center of the top bold on the bottom hinge (body side)

if you arent able to do that no rush, just if you can or have time. I would really appreciate it.

Craig, did you put the hinges in where the old ones were? or did you put them in different locations to start with? just wondering because you say they need to be moved.

Sheryl, I've had been having issues having scamp call me back. I've called 3x now and left msgs and they don't call back. ask for parts and no calls back always busy. I've heard their service is pretty lacking? have to see how it goes when i get in touch with them. but not good so far.

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I will get those measurements to you tomorrow--no problem as my Boler is in the garage (snug as a bug!) I studied a lot of photos to get close, and the Scamp guy said to try to stay on the flattest part of the door. Maybe I just lucked out talking to him! Anyway, yes, I'll get back with the measurements.
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Here is a picture comparing the two hinges. They are in the same location of the old hinges. The shims are pieces of fiberglass that are angle cut to bring the hinges into as more level plane. I can't find any pictures of them.
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I remember, too, that I was concerned when I received my hinges as they are both the same. (I thought I had read somewhere that they were different, numbered 1 and 2.) I asked "the Scamp guy" that question, as well, but he said the two hinges are the same, and I have had no issues with mine. My door will open all the way without binding and without hitting the bellyband as it opens.
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I don't know what is going on I am having trouble with the pictures...
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Here they are during the install.
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Old 01-16-2012, 10:12 PM   #13
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Sheryl, ya, really there should be hinge 1 and hinge 2, i just figured that would be the case? now that really bothers me its not... because if they are just 90 degrees to the body, then one hinge will angle up and the other hinge will angle down depending if its top or bottom hinge. now thats a really stupid design if you ask me.

now i was thinking. since the hinges pivot on the brass ball. if you drilled out the hole that the bolt goes threw on the top side of the hinge, don't drill it to big but enough to clear the off angles when the door is opened and closed it should stop this bending bolt problem ppl are having after they have installed and opened/closed the door a few times. i really think that would fix that problem, just depends on how big that hold can be without the bolt head going threw it but don't think that can happen anyways. i think i may just buy two sets and try to mod one set of hinges and see what options i've got before i go ahead and install them. I don't want to mess up one set hen have to pay their high shipping fees to get a second set.

thanks for that info tho. i'm going to call them again tomorrow and see if i can talk to parts.. havent been able to get someone yet.

thanks again,


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Old 01-16-2012, 10:14 PM   #14
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hi Liz,

thanks for the pictures. really appreciate it. you don't happen to have a picture that is taken when you view the body down the side from front to back off hand eh? so you can see how the hinge angles up or down depending on the hing you are taking pictures of..

and if its not asking to much can you measure your hinges also? looks like you redid your hinges in the factory locations? would like to get measurements from a few ppl to see what works.

thanks again for everything,


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