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Old 10-26-2018, 12:22 PM   #15
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Smaller stove/wood heater requires smaller clearances... ?
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Old 10-26-2018, 12:34 PM   #16
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It's a federal standard Raz and most wood stoves including the one we've used for years have such language on the permanent label attached to the back. It's a Hearthstone soapstone stove btw and we love it. Fired with timber we grow ourselves on the 32 acres here. Side note, if you're not already familiar with the brand check it out and see where it's made
I've had a Hearthstone Phoenix for about 10 years. They assemble them in Morrisville Vermont. Like you, I cut and split my own wood and have for 40 years. My understanding is a fresh air capability is required as part of the EPA rating, but connection is state regulated. As such the fresh air adapter is optional. The EPA rating used to get you a tax credit. The local hardware stores still sell cheap non EPA box stoves so I assume they are legal???
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Old 10-26-2018, 12:46 PM   #17
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We heat our cabin with wood , have for over 30 years
Hard to believe you can get the necessary clearances for a wood stove in a 13 ft
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20 inches needed all around, except only 2.5 inches bottom and rear with option (quite doable):
https://cubicminiwoodstoves.com/page...-cb-1008-specs
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Old 10-26-2018, 12:57 PM   #18
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My understanding is a fresh air capability is required as part of the EPA rating, but connection is state regulated.
EPA governs outdoor air quality issues, the intake of outside air requirement is per HUD regulations and for the purpose of avoiding oxygen depletion inside the unit. Check out your stove's label, you'll see what I mean. We have the Mansfield model stove, picked it b/c it takes the longest possible stick, which over the course of a wimter's supply means a lot less labor for us.

Those non-EPA stoves are a hoot btw, any that don't have the pollution controls are probably labeled "outdoor use", wink, wink.
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Old 10-26-2018, 01:21 PM   #20
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EPA governs outdoor air quality issues, the intake of outside air requirement is per HUD regulations and for the purpose of avoiding oxygen depletion inside the unit. Check out your stove's label, you'll see what I mean. We have the Mansfield model stove, picked it b/c it takes the longest possible stick, which over the course of a wimter's supply means a lot less labor for us.

Those non-EPA stoves are a hoot btw, any that don't have the pollution controls are probably labeled "outdoor use", wink, wink.
Read the label. Ok, you're talking about mobile homes. I get it. Would a Scamp be considered a mobile home?
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You could just install a chimney in the Scamp, sit outside and toss fire logs in through the door.
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You could just install a chimney in the Scamp, sit outside and toss fire logs in through the door.

You may think you're kidding but I'm actually contemplating a sort of version of the above myself except that in my case it's the HEAT I'd be throwing into the trailer. I've been lusting after one of those folding wood stoves (outdoor use only lol) for use in the porch area provided by my pulldown awning. Purpose being to reflect the heat into the trailer interior from my still-hazy but hoped for cleverly designed super special heat producing room that encloses the whole area, contains a chimney and outside air supply, packs into a matchbox, and weighs less than 6 ounces!

Still a few kinks to work out but stay tuned
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Old 10-26-2018, 03:29 PM   #23
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Since most trailers use propane anyways, you could go with a propane fireplace such as the one sold by Dickinson Marine for use in boats. Looks like it could work in some trailers also.

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Old 10-26-2018, 04:55 PM   #24
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Im continuing to do a lot of reading & YouTube watching as Im dreaming about my next phase of life. I saw this today and thought others may find it interesting. BTW, Im an owner of a 13 Scamp yet really considering something just a bit larger.

https://youtu.be/zzq2MlX8kRo

Are you serious..you'll cook yourself out but will freeze before morning as it won't hold a fire for 6+hours.
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Old 10-26-2018, 10:52 PM   #25
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I didn't see anything in that vid that indicated they provided an outside air supply for combustion, a critical element when burning solid fuel. Room air's going to be depleted so fast it will make their heads spin (assuming they're still conscious enough to notice) It fascinates me that this always comes up when we're discussing propane heaters but so rarely does when the subject of this far greater consumer of room air does. Unlike radiant propane heaters, a wood stove can't even be installed/used in the biggest, leakiest stationary mobile home unless plumbed for outside combustion air. But some folks think it's a good idea to do so in a practically airtight tiny fiberglass enclosure. Go figure!

With respect to oxygen depletion consider this difference between propane and wood.

The propane heaters we usually consider are the non-vented (no chimney) type. The first worry is CO. If the propane burns clean there is no CO (theoretically). But it does burn oxygen and with no venting to exhaust the oxygen depleted air there is also no fresh air being drawn in. Hence an oxygen depletion problem.

Wood stoves are vented (have a chimney). Otherwise your trailer would be filled with smoke in no time. Long before CO would become a problem. So the combustion products along with a lot of air go up the chimney. Whether the air that replaces that going up the chimney comes in through a dedicated air duct or just any old leaks around windows and doors, it replaces the oxygen depleted air that goes up the chimney. No oxygen depletion problem. If you have a tight trailer and no fresh air comes in you won't get a draft through your stove and you will have other problem. Like it just won't burn. You'd have to open a window or something enough to let some air in. The reason for the dedicated inlet duct is to prevent the room (trailer) air being used for combustion. It goes straight to and through the stove without cooling the room. Hence increasing the heating efficiency. That's the problem the regulations are concerned with; heating efficiency, not oxygen depletion.

I have lived in homes with wood stoves since I was a kid, no problems. But I don't think I would want one in a small trailer because of a myriad of thermal problems. Just no way to get sufficient clearance to prevent overheating of surrounding stuff. Or having something accidentally coming in contact with it.
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Old 10-27-2018, 06:47 AM   #26
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I don't understand why anyone would want to put a wood burner in one of these campers. If you insist on one, please provide combustion air. Just remembering to open a window isn't a good idea. Someone is going to forget to do it. I don't want to be reading about you guys in the headlines. 1 square inch per 1000 BTU. I'm not putting one in mine It is too easy to heat with a little electric heater or the camper furnace. Or even a buddy heater that has safety features.
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Old 10-27-2018, 07:03 AM   #27
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wow - I didn't know this would create such a discussion. I just thought the video showed a clever idea. personal preference is huge, I do not believe one way or the other is the CORRECT answer. look at this site - most here have (or live in) a fiberglassRV - how many "others" out there who own RV's would never have a fiberglassRV. I am thankful for the diversity of people and the community that is created.



I like the idea of the wood stove so you don't have to use propane (which you need to use some battery to run the furnace blower) or electric heat. I'm cheap and try to save $$ in many ways.
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I don't understand why anyone would want to put a wood burner in one of these campers. .....
It is too easy to heat with a little electric heater or the camper furnace. ...
Tim did it because he is living the the camper while it is stationary for an extended time (all winter IIRC) and he has an unlimited supply of free wood for the stove. Apparently he has no access to electric service and it is a also long haul to get propane. Further, he likes the ambiance and the fact he is not dependent on suppliers. So for him it is not really much different than heating a small cabin.

Elsa also mentions that the stove has to be taken out before moving the camper. These folks have an unusual living situation in their campers and have given considerable thought about how to heat it and how to heat it safely. The video only touches on the discussions about this stove that I have seen elsewhere and no doubt I have only seen a fraction of the work that has gone into these projects.

It is not for me, to be sure, and I was very critical in my unexpressed thoughts on this idea at first. As learned more about it, I still thought it was not for me, but it was more practical and reasonable than I first thought. So I was glad I did not express my trepidation until I learned more about it.
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