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Old 10-29-2013, 09:59 PM   #29
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I have RAV4 with 4WD, as in can lock all four wheels, but when it snows, I generally choose not to drive.
It's not just me that I have to worry about, it's all the other people on all-season tires, and that the insurance company is likely to assign blame 50 / 50. And, then there is loss of use while the vehicle is being repaired.

Before I retired, I'd take the front wheel drive company car if I had to drive in the snow.
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I have RAV4 with 4WD, as in can lock all four wheels, but when it snows, I generally choose not to drive.
It's not just me that I have to worry about, it's all the other people on all-season tires, and that the insurance company is likely to assign blame 50 / 50. And, then there is loss of use while the vehicle is being repaired.

Before I retired, I'd take the front wheel drive company car if I had to drive in the snow.
One of my favorite former cars was an old 5 speed manual transmission Honda civic that I had many years ago. With snow tires on it, I could drive through drifts as high as the hood without getting stuck. However, front wheel drive does kind of suck on loose gravel roads, especially on curves.
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However, front wheel drive does kind of suck on loose gravel roads, especially on curves.
Are you kidding? That's where front wheel drive shines. Crank the steering wheel to the right, apply the hand brake to briefly stop the rear wheels which will throw the rear of the car to the left, all the while stomping on the gas peddle. The front wheels will pull the car out of the drift to the left an through the corner.

You can use the same technique to do a 180 degree turn on a one lane gravel road. Just tell your passenger what you intend to do.
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Of course it is not for all, but I love having 4x4.
Me too. Blasting through 2 feet of snow with my F250 is a blast.
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However, front wheel drive does kind of suck on loose gravel roads, especially on curves.
I am with you on this too Dave. I grew up driving gravel roads, and rear-wheel drive wins hands down. Way better steering control under power, and when young, I learned to master the four wheel drift around corners, fully under control. Learned the same techniques with dirt bikes and snowmobiles too. I love freaking my wife out drifting corners at full speed.

For traction, front wheel drive can't be beat, with all the weight over the drive wheels. In the snow it performs much better. My F250 in the snow without 4WD really sucks a lot of the time.
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You can use the same technique to do a 180 degree turn on a one lane gravel road. Just tell your passenger what you intend to do.
Frank Cannon used rear wheel drive...... just sayin'.
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I was on a police high speed chase course, driving a clapped out Ford and when the rear end started to come around on me, I stomped on the gas and lost it. The instructor reprimanded me. I explained that I drive a front wheel drive Fiat 128 Sport Coupe and that stomping on the gas was the only solution in that car.
So, he took my Fiat out on the course, spun out and ended up in the grass field.
Different strokes for different folks.
Four wheel drive Ford Explorer rental I had to drive on washboard was my worst driving experience. It wanted to go sideways more than forward in the corners.
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BTW. The instructor told me that ( in the rear wheel drive Ford ), when the rear started to come around, I should stab the brake and then rapidly hit the accelerator. I've not actually ever tried that since I don't choose to drive a clapped out Ford sedan with bald tires.

Friend of mine in his Fiat 124 Spyder and I in my Fiat 128 Sport Coupe went back out to the course and played the rabbit a week later. When the lights and sirens are going, it does raise your adrenaline level.
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That reminded me of when I was doing some driver training on skidpad... instructor operated gas and brakes which was gas pedal to the floor then he would grab streering wheel and slam on brakes.
I done the drifting on good old country gravel roads. I'm not in to drifting in my jeeps, one has about eight inches of lift and front locker limited slip (traclock) rear. Point and go in a lot of road conditions. Ice and hill 2wd, AWD, 4WD don't matter. I've seen 13 ton, 36 ton and 50 + ton tracked vehicles slid on ice even. (M113, Bradleys and tanks) I've hit black ice driving a M998 Humvee on Autoban in Germany slid down road sideways that was fun. I'm not as experienced of a driver as some here. But snowy roads AWD car maybe. . I'll just stick to 4wd.


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I'll take my awd subaru over any 4wd I've ever driven when it comes to ice, and I'm a North Dakota farmboy originally.

It does pretty damn well in snow, too. I drove off the edge of my driveway and high centered it, plus had it buried in snow. I thought it was stuck, the pickup was stuck before it got that far, so I gave up. The next day I was about to shovel it out when I remembered to turn the traction control off, so it would let the tires spin. She came right out. The truck did not. I used the car to pull the truck back until it got enough traction to get back to its original spot...then got in the car and drove out to the road, no problem.



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I'll take my awd subaru over any 4wd I've ever driven when it comes to ice, and I'm a North Dakota farmboy originally.

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Couldnt agree more with you cowboy!
#1 reason my Outback will not be traded in when my 4x4 Pick up arrives in the driveway shortly - funny enough its the same brand of truck as in your photo!
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Me too. Blasting through 2 feet of snow with my F250 is a blast.

I am with you on this too Dave. I grew up driving gravel roads, and rear-wheel drive wins hands down. Way better steering control under power, and when young, I learned to master the four wheel drift around corners, fully under control. Learned the same techniques with dirt bikes and snowmobiles too. I love freaking my wife out drifting corners at full speed.

For traction, front wheel drive can't be beat, with all the weight over the drive wheels. In the snow it performs much better. My F250 in the snow without 4WD really sucks a lot of the time.
I think FWD totally outshines RWD on slippery roads. Back in the '70s it was all RWD, and sometimes you'd hit the black ice and before you knew anything was wrong the rear end was trying to trade places with the front. I hated that. Spun out on the expressway once, scared me pretty good. FWD just doesn't act unmannerly like that.

And yes, there are differences between AWD and 4WD, but either one is way better than 2WD.
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