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Old 01-09-2015, 06:46 AM   #1
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Looking for a light camper for 4 in New England

Hi,

I am looking for a camper that is light enough to be towed by a Subaru legacy. We'd like one that sleeps us and our 2 kids, have a sink, preferably with heat, and be anywhere between $0 and $10,000. I don't mind putting work into it, my husband and are very handy, but should not be a complete pile of waste as I don't need another project. We live near Providence RI, and could travel almost anywhere in New England or Albany area to see it.

If you have one for sale let us know. Thanks!

I posted this in the "for sale" section by accident don't know how to delete it.
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Old 01-09-2015, 07:55 AM   #2
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In October 2013, our Scamp 13 Layout1 (with the 54" bed) was under $11,000.
It was configured for minimum weight so that we could stay under the 1500 lb tow weight
limit specified for our 2011 Honda CRV. We have slept 2 granddaughters (pre-teen) and my wife and myself.

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Old 01-09-2015, 08:34 AM   #3
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Check your manual but a quick search found the following:

Legacy-
Subaru doesn't recommend towing with a Legacy so it is not suggested or recommended.
Subaru Towing information page
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Old 01-09-2015, 08:57 AM   #4
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Light camper for 4 in New England

Welcome, Ioanna!

Sounds like you're looking for a 13'er without a bathroom with the dinette at the back and bunks in front. Subarus make decent tow vehicles for that class of trailer, though with four people you'll need to pack lightly and mind the tongue weight. Make sure the trailer has brakes. Not all do.

Your budget should give you some reasonable choices, but you'll have to be patient and act quickly when the right one comes your way. I'm guessing a lot of folks in your area have their trailers in winter storage now. Ray is right- for a little more you might be able to get a brand new Scamp, and the availability of the larger bed is tempting. I don't know if he factored in taxes and shipping, though.

Good luck!
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Old 01-09-2015, 10:07 AM   #5
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The legacy towing capacity will depend on the transmission and age of the vehicle. Check the manual or contact a dealer. I towed with a 2001 legacy and it worked but the frontal area of my old Ventura really sucked the gas mileage and available power out of the 2.5l. The legacy also has a pretty low tongue weight limit so you have to watch that as well.

I think you may be limited to a 13' or a 15' trailer with bunks to stay in the weight limits and make sure it has working breaks.

The outback has a higher towing capacity but still have a low tongue weight.

Good luck on you hunt!
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Old 01-09-2015, 12:43 PM   #6
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Thanks for the input. Hubby and I made a couple of kids in the last few years so need extra space to put them, plus sinks to change diapers. Before they came along we used to drive for weeks at a time sleeping in the back of a PT cruiser or a Tacoma. (This sound terrible, I know, and we are pretty respectable people in "normal" life, but that's just how we like our adventures). So, a 15' will seem like a five star hotel to us. Need the heat as would like to use it in the winter. I have seen some small trailers that are towable by a regular car, and hoping to find one. I have been searching craigslist, but found only "wanted" ads.

Don't know much about trailers, so all comments and advice is welcome.
I have a 2.5i 2005 legacy manual transmission.... blue, if that tows any better.
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Old 01-09-2015, 12:54 PM   #7
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Ioanna -

Just to clarify -

My under $11,000 price did not include the sales tax paid for getting the
trailer license and, since we picked up the trailer in Backus, we didn't
have any delivery charges.

We finally ordered a new Scamp because we were having some difficulty
in finding a used trailer anywhere close to our area that didn't have a lot
of the weight-adding accessories. Because used FGRVs seem to be a little
bit scarce and resale values are high, I reasoned that the down-side of
buying new was the delta between new purchase price and what I could
sell the trailer for (in the event that it turned out that I had made a
sub-optimal purchase decision.)

If you really need used, then I'd suggest that you look at the trailers for
sale in this forum, look at Molded Fiberglass Trailers | Fiberglass RV's For Sale,
and perhaps use SearchTempest: Search all of Craigslist nationwide & more
to search Craig's list and E-Bay sites within a certain radius of your home.

Normally, I would suggest attending a nearby fiberglass rally. However,
like our 2011 Honda CRV tow weight limitation, your Subaru Legacy will
limit the trailers that you can consider. I would also second Jon's earlier
recommendation of trailer brakes and would suggest leaving the AC off of
the top to reduce the "frontal area" drag penalty. We found that the
Scamp 13 was one of the few FGRVs that could be configured to fit
within our restriction(s).

Even if your Legacy is approved for towing (I guess there may be some
question about that?) , you should also probably realize that you would
be towing at pretty close to the top of your Legacy's capacity and should
plan on holding speeds down, adding an automatic transmission oil cooler
(if you have an automatic transmission), avoiding hilly country and high
wind conditions, etc. See the following thread for more ideas:
Hi! I'm Mary

We have found that the Scamp 13 is well insulated enough that all we
really need is a small electric space heater. (The first night that we spent
in the trailer, the outside temperature was 28 degrees and my wife asked
me to get up in the middle of the night and turn the space heater down!)
If camping without electricity, I would consider one of the small catalytic
heaters (Coleman SportCat, a small Mr Heater, etc.)

As always, you may have different needs and restrictions than any of
us on the forum realize and ....... YMMV.

Good luck with your search and decisions!

Ray
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Old 01-09-2015, 02:44 PM   #8
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What year is your Legacy? From about 2010? and newer its my understanding the Subaru does not supply a hitch for them as they do not recommend towing with them and if you do the max trailer weight is 1000lbs?

Here is the thread to the Trailer Weights in Real World that will help you determine what trailer loaded for camping the Legacy may actually be rated to tow.
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Old 01-09-2015, 03:08 PM   #9
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With kids a pop-up camper works good. That's what we used for years. Still own it but haven't used it in a few years, probably pass it on to our son who now has 3 kids. Bought one for our daughter who also has 3 kids.
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Carol -
She accidentally has a couple of threads going on the same topic ....

Her Subaru Legacy is a 2005 2.5i with a manual transmission.
Looking for a light camper for 4 in New England
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If a 2005 that means she has a 2000lbs tow limit and a 200lb? tongue limit (the later is a maybe would have to check the manual) - greatly reducing the OP's trailer options. In the Fiberglass trailer group the Hunter Compact Jr. & the U-Haul 13' are about the only two that constantly full within that weight class on both tongue and total tow weight.

BTW I think one of the big reasons behind Subaru dropping the Legacy's tow rating down so much in 2010 was due to the introduction of a new transmission for that car as well as some other body redesigns from earlier years - probable a softer rear end.
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Looks like your Legacy should have about the same horsepower and torque
as our 2011 Honda CRV. The CRV was adequate as a tow vehicle but did
bog down a bit in hilly terrain and the mpg definitely suffered a bit with
strong head winds. See my replies in your other thread .....
Light camper for 4 in New England

Welcome to the forum and good luck with your search and decision(s)!

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Old 01-09-2015, 03:29 PM   #13
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If a 2005 Legacy that means she has a 2700lbs tow limit and a 200lb? tongue limit (the later is a maybe would have to check the manual - it may actually be less)

See thread Trailer Weights in the Real World.
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Just checked the manual and that legacy is rated for 1000lbs without brakes and 2700 lbs with brakes and a max tongue weight of 200lbs. That should help a bit but remember that includes all the stuff in the trailer so be careful when looking at the dry weights of trailers.
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