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Old 02-09-2012, 01:04 PM   #15
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If you look at most of the infrastructure in our National Parks (such as the lodges, for example), it dates back to the 1930's. These were Depression-era federal projects to put people back to work.

Sadly, since that time, spending on our National Parks has been sporadic and overdue when it occurred at all. Growth in use and access has greatly outpaced spending. Contracts to operate the concessions in the parks are awarded to private companies which neither the requirement nor the interest to upgrade facilities.

When I look at the campgrounds in our National Parks (and I have seen about a dozen in the past 24 months), I see that neither Congress nor the concession companies have been motivated to spend the funds to upgrade facilities.

This, coupled with the PRESERVATION motive discussed in this thread, explains why things are in the state they are in.
One of the Federal budget proposal in the early part of the 21st century was to sell or, privatize or lease out for logging , oil exploration and mining our National Parks . The idea of spending money on the Parks ran counter to the Cut Taxes mentality . The under funding of our parks go back to the middle of the 20 th century and was done by both parties. My home State of Minnesota just purchased land for a new park in Northern Minnesota on Lake Vermilion yet cut funding to the existing state parks in the same budget. Conservation always seems to take a back seat to money in every generation
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:20 PM   #16
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The National Park is all about getting back to nature.

We camped at the Civilian campground right outside the main gate in Montanna. Didn't want to get back to nature.
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I read the other day that the Half Dome climb is being looked at, with thoughts of limiting the number of people daily who can do the climb. They say about 1200 a day go up the cable in summer, and it's a human traffic jam. In bad weather the people would not be able to evacuate quickly enough. They're considering whether to roll it back to 300 or 400, or maybe even to take the cable down (which would limit the climb to technical climbers, as in the old days).
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I was in Peru last summer. They have set limits on the number of people allowed on the Inca tail and at Machu Picchu. I guess the same problem all over.
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I would like to get into this conversation before it is shut down as being too political. Our U. F. Forest Service is the same way as far as using OURLAND.
You see, our land belongs to them!!! and they don't want anyone treading on it. No wood cutting, no camping, no anything or the US Forest Service cop will be turning his red, white and blue lights on you and you'll be sorry you tried to use your land for recreation of any type. Marg
I'm very lucky, I live surrounded by the Sequoia National Forest.
The Forest Service is supposed to manage the Forest with multiple use in mind.
Every year we lose more Forest to what I call protectionists.
Large areas of the Forest are now locked up for 6 and 7 months at a time even though there is no snow or other dangers.
The future of camping in our Forests is in danger.
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I'm very lucky, I live surrounded by the Sequoia National Forest.
The Forest Service is supposed to manage the Forest with multiple use in mind.
Every year we lose more Forest to what I call protectionists.
Large areas of the Forest are now locked up for 6 and 7 months at a time even though there is no snow or other dangers.
The future of camping in our Forests is in danger.
John
NOT taking sides, but pointing out that the way "THEY" see it, camping puts the future of the forests in danger....
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It would be nice if everyone was a good steward of our forests and campgrounds. But, we know that isn't true. Folks leave trash, don't cleanup after pets and ignore signs about staying on trails and not picking plants and shrubs. It's because of THOSE people restrictions have to be placed. It's too bad there's so much of a "me" world.
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I'm very lucky, I live surrounded by the Sequoia National Forest.
The Forest Service is supposed to manage the Forest with multiple use in mind.
Every year we lose more Forest to what I call protectionists.
Large areas of the Forest are now locked up for 6 and 7 months at a time even though there is no snow or other dangers.
The future of camping in our Forests is in danger.
John
John I suspect you are right.

In your area do they not say why they are doing it prior to doing it? Around here we have the same problem but they will normally hold public meetings prior to the closing to explain why they are doing it - often public meetings have been going on for years prior to the closer in attempts to educate people to correct what ever is happening that they have concerns about.

Some of the common reasons here for closing an area outside of a high forest fire danger time are people chopping up whole or fallen trees for camp fires; erosion caused by mountain biking, ATM's or illegal tree removal; to many people riding or walking though sensitive spawning streams; people letting their dogs chase wild life; inappropriate disposal of waste in sensitive stream areas.

Sadly it all comes down to economics - its cheaper to just close a problem area to protect it, than it is to hire more park rangers.
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John I suspect you are right.



Sadly it all comes down to economics - its cheaper to just close a problem area to protect it, than it is to hire more park rangers.
When you view all public employees as the ENEMY it gives cover for poor leadership from our so called political leaders
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In your area do they not say why they are doing it prior to doing it?
Yes, they do let people know why they are closing some areas. Sequoia National Park asked for input from the public before making these decisions. Go to their Park Management page and you can read the documents and the records of the proceedings.

As Donna noted, many people are not conscious of the impact they have on parks. In my many visits to national parks and national forests I have witnessed people feeding wildlife, picking up pine cones at campgrounds, gathering wood and leaving trash behind, among other irresponsible behavior.

We need to protect some of our wild spaces so the various critters that live there can thrive. Without healthy wild places our ecosystem will collapse around us. Unfortunately, too many people have shown they cannot or will not use our parks and forests responsibly, so we all have to pay the price.
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Yes, they do let people know why they are closing some areas. Sequoia National Park asked for input from the public before making these decisions. Go to their Park Management page and you can read the documents and the records of the proceedings.

As Donna noted, many people are not conscious of the impact they have on parks.
Thanks Doc - it appears its the same as here, decisions to close an area are not done without due process, lots of public input and a good deal of money & time spent on researching the issue and exploring the options. Around here they will often try alternatives to closing the area first..... but when that fails to get the attention of the "not conscious" group sadly the doors are closed.
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Some people complain about those who want to camp with all the luxuries of home then turn around and complain when the national parks don't supply those luxury items in their camp grounds. Yes, A hot shower is a luxury when you're Roughing It. We camp with the flush toilet, hot shower, HDTV, cook stove , Heat and Air conditioning. Did the Roughing It when in the Army and that was enough for a lifetime.
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Some people complain about those who want to camp with all the luxuries of home then turn around and complain when the national parks don't supply those luxury items in their camp grounds. Yes, A hot shower is a luxury when you're Roughing It. We camp with the flush toilet, hot shower, HDTV, cook stove , Heat and Air conditioning. Did the Roughing It when in the Army and that was enough for a lifetime.

Ditto - although in my case my "roughing it" thing was with a canoe, portaging and paddling, set up pup tent, etc, etc while doing field research for my Master's Thesis.

Now I complain when room service is slow

That's why my trailer has all 'mod cons" and we stay at campgrounds that have water, sewer and power.
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When I was younger I used to camp at music festivals and thought a two-inch foam mattress in my tent was luxurious. I would backpack to backcountry campgrounds and use a self-inflating pad under my sleeping bag and feel comfortable in my three-pound tent and down sleeping bag.

Now my idea of roughing it is buying a tent for my truck bed and sleeping on a four-inch air mattress; because I won't have a bathroom.

But I plan to have a a fiberglass trailer for a base camp.

Reminds me of a line from the movie The Electric Horseman. When you get older not all your body parts wake up at the same time. Broke parts take longer.
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