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Old 04-28-2016, 05:45 PM   #15
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I wish people would stop bothering me, asking to pet my dog, hug her, play a little with her, tell me their pet stories of their past dogs they had. It just ticks me off.... Only kiddin. Carl
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Old 04-28-2016, 05:52 PM   #16
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Well said, Raz.

I am NOT of the "love me...love my dog" crowd. I understand, And I follow the rules. Irresponsible and thoughtless people abound, and in a large crowd, there are just more of them, it seems. Rude people can ruin your day, if you let them. WE are the worst animals on the planet, but what can you do.

Coming from a rural home, the traffic and the hoards at popular places makes me want to turn around and leave. And I have done just that.
It's a shame, but I get it. It's just not worth fighting it, sometimes.

I know that when people innocently use the words: "Pet Owner", they're not thinking of a slave/master relationship, or pets as accessories, but it still bothers me some. I own my Scamp, not my dog. Nobody ever called me a "Child Owner" when I was raising my kids. But I love my dog. I don't expect anyone else to.

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I'm sorry, but dogs do NOT equate to children. I have a lot of trouble with those that want to equate their dog with children. A child will grow up and become an adult, hopefully society and parents will do a good job of educating them to obey the rules. Dogs never get to that point. They will never use a toilet, they always be rude and stick their noise in somebodie's crotch, if provoked they'll bite and never outgrow those behaviors.
You own your dog, your children grow up and leave, BIG difference.
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I'm sorry, but dogs do NOT equate to children. I have a lot of trouble with those that want to equate their dog with children. A child will grow up and become an adult, hopefully society and parents will do a good job of educating them to obey the rules. Dogs never get to that point. They will never use a toilet, they always be rude and stick their noise in somebodie's crotch, if provoked they'll bite and never outgrow those behaviors.
You own your dog, your children grow up and leave, BIG difference.
You are right that you cannot equate the two, but you can compare them. There are many parallels between the two, especially in the behaviour department.

Dogs will never use a toilet (without specific training), but they can very easily be trained to not bite or sniff crotches. Our dog would never do that.

Some folks, like my dear great aunt, could never have kids, yet always had a dog until recently (she is 98 and legally blind now), and her dogs were always well behaved and carried a place in her heart that could not be filled with children of their own. There are many people like this.

I think we all need to be tolerant of how others feel towards any animals. Conversely those who love animals must be conscientious of how those that do not care for them feel, and don't push them on them.

For me one thing that does equate between people and pets is the compassion I have for both.

Humans have had pets for thousands of years, and that is not likely to change. Even if I don't own a dog in the future, I certainly am going to love to see and play with others.
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Old 04-28-2016, 06:46 PM   #18
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Wouldn't it be nice if all dog owners were as caring as this group? And all parents had children that were as well behaved as this group? Truly. But that isn't reality. So rather than compare your well behaved dog/child to the rest, just know there's a chance you are in the minority. And yes, it's the people who let their dogs bark continually and don't pick up after them (and why do I always step in the poop?) is the reason I support the No Dogs policy in our National Parks.
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I'm sorry, but dogs do NOT equate to children. I have a lot of trouble with those that want to equate their dog with children. A child will grow up and become an adult, hopefully society and parents will do a good job of educating them to obey the rules. Dogs never get to that point. They will never use a toilet, they always be rude and stick their noise in somebodie's crotch, if provoked they'll bite and never outgrow those behaviors.
You own your dog, your children grow up and leave, BIG difference.
Byron,
I never said I equate dogs with children. I said I love my dog, and I don't expect anyone else to. I treat her as the best friend and companion that she is. I don't feel like I Own her. That's just the wrong word for our relationship.

I think a lot of people should not be allowed to have pets. The shelters are full of abused animals. It's criminal. Never blame the pet, they are born innocent.

I never let my dog get close to any strangers. But they often ask if they can come over and pet her.

Never using a toilet is not much of a knock on dogs, if you ask me.

There are many dogs out there helping people with disabilities, as well as veterans and the elderly confined to long term homes. There are bomb-sniffing dogs and drug-sniffing dogs. Point is: Dogs have been serving and helping people for ages. I think many of them are more useful to society than a lot of humans out there.

Yes, children do grow up and leave, thankfully. The hardest thing about being a pet "owner", is that we usually out-live our pets.

If we should ever cross paths in the future, please don't go near my dog. She's known for sloppy kisses.

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I never said I equate dogs with children. I said I love my dog, and I don't expect anyone else to. I treat her as the best friend and companion that she is. I don't feel like I Own her. That's just the wrong word for our relationship.

I think a lot of people should not be allowed to have pets. The shelters are full of abused animals. It's criminal. Never blame the pet, they are born innocent.

I never let my dog get close to any strangers. But they often ask if they can come over and pet her.

Never using a toilet is not much of a knock on dogs, if you ask me.

There are many dogs out there helping people with disabilities, as well as veterans and the elderly confined to long term homes. There are bomb-sniffing dogs and drug-sniffing dogs. Point is: Dogs have been serving and helping people for ages. I think many of them are more useful to society than a lot of humans out there.

Yes, children do grow up and leave, thankfully. The hardest thing about being a pet "owner", is that we usually out-live our pets.

If we should ever cross paths in the future, please don't go near my dog. She's known for sloppy kisses.

Thank you
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What you didn't do was read and understand the rules that our National Parks have concerning pets.
If you don't like the rules nobody is twisting your arm to go there. If you go you can expect to need to follow the rules. If you don't like the rules don't go.
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Not everyone is a good parent either. Shall we have a no children policy. Of course not. For many our pets are family. There will always be bad characters and I have no trouble with them being fined but a little tolerance and compromise is far better than punishing the responsible ones as well.
I understand proper affection for pets but despite what some would like to believe, children are not pets and "Fur Kids" are not children.

In some of our National Parks, pets would attract predators which would harm both the pet and its owner. I have been to fiberglass rallies where the pets may have outnumbered the participants.
Most are as you say responsible.
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We are planning a trip Yellowstone and Mt. Rushmore this summer. We planned on taking out dog, a 6 year old Border Collie. After reading the restrictions in the National Parks we decided to have her stay with my parents while we are gone. I understand why the NP restrict access. On interesting thing I read was a dog can actually be an attractant to a bear, wold or big cat to provoke an attack. They see dogs (all sizes) as competition for food.

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In some of our National Parks, pets would attract predators which would harm both the pet and its owner.
I have heard this suggested many a time before Floyd, but in my experience the opposite is true. I have spent many hundreds of nights in the backcountry smack in the middle of bear, wolf, cougar and lynx country, almost always with at least one dog, and have never once seen any indication that this is the case. In fact, our dogs I am positive have more than once scared away predators, from the big dangerous ones, to the small ones looking to get into our food packs.

It could be most of the dogs we were with were at least mid-sized, 35 lbs and up, so don't look as attractive as a snack as those wee yappy ones.

But, as I said, if any trip will be into US National Parks, my dog will stay home with family and friends, and still have fun.

In most places in Canadian National Parks, dogs are allowed on leash. There are a few popular trails where they now are not, but given the dynamics, I am good with that.
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Just to clear up a misunderstanding, there is no no dog policy in the National parks. To the best of my knowledge dogs are allowed in all our National parks and in the campgrounds too. In fact someone reported the other day that some parks, like Shenandoah in the east, allow pets on many trails. It's the lack of a place to excersize the dog thats my concern. A well exercised dog makes a far better neighbor. Unfortunately there are few if any humans that can tire a dog that's tied to a 6 foot leash. Many town parks have installed dog parks where owners can go to exercise their dogs. As I said earlier, National parks are the only place where I have been told flat out no. Most places direct you to a place where you can excersize the dog without bothering anyone. Raz
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Google is your friend. National Parks, Dogs... by Park
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Yes Carl. Let's put the civil back in civilization. Don't abandon it just because we are in wilderness.
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In 50 years of camping I have been annoyed by more generators than either dogs or children.
Totally agree.
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What you didn't do was read and understand the rules that our National Parks have concerning pets.
If you don't like the rules nobody is twisting your arm to go there. If you go you can expect to need to follow the rules. If you don't like the rules don't go.

I have to respond.

How do you know what I read and what I don't? I said in an earlier post in this thread that I understand the rules and I follow them. Apparently, you're not reading what I say. When I went to Zion, I didn't know what to expect. I found out when I got there. Not even sure I had internet at the time. If I recall correctly, the explanation was that dogs would upset the wildlife. Putting my rescue dog in a kennel would be cruel. Since then, I limit myself to Parks that have a lot of road access to spectacular scenery, like Yellowstone. We'll take our walks in the national forests, which is where we spend most of our time anyway. I've seen beautiful places in the forests where declaring them a "Park" would ruin them.

You're correct. No one is "twisting my arm" to go visit "our" national treasures. It's just a shame to blame all dogs for some bad humans.

You're correct again. I don't like the rules, but I Do follow them. I choose to accept limited access to the parks, for the companionship and unconditional love of my best friend.

nuff said

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