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Old 04-28-2016, 10:42 AM   #1
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Worst National Park for Dogs

This is a spin-off from two interesting threads going on right now. In my experience, Zion is the worst. There was one trail along a river where you could walk your dog. Otherwise, go back out of the park and put your pet in day care. So, I never got to see much of Zion. If I ever get back near there, I've found forest roads on topo maps that approach the northern limits of the park and that's where I would go, walking among the glorious rocks with my dog.

What's your experience?

Gordon

P.S. If you're interested, this is what I wrote about it in 2007:
Buster Goes To Zion photo - Gordon Keyes photos at pbase.com
I was pretty upset at the time.
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This is a spin-off from two interesting threads going on right now. In my experience, Zion is the worst. There was one trail along a river where you could walk your dog. Otherwise, go back out of the park and put your pet in day care. So, I never got to see much of Zion. If I ever get back near there, I've found forest roads on topo maps that approach the northern limits of the park and that's where I would go, walking among the glorious rocks with my dog.

What's your experience?

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P.S. If you're interested, this is what I wrote about it in 2007:
Buster Goes To Zion photo - Gordon Keyes photos at pbase.com
I was pretty upset at the time.
After learning that you could not drive through much of Zion and while they provided a bus, dogs were unwelcome, we passed the park by.

I've yet to find a National park that was dog friendly. At one I asked for a location where I could throw a ball to give the dog exercise, I was told there was nowhere and I would be fined if I took the dog off the leash. We found a place in the national forest just down the road.
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Our National Parks are our treasurers. I can understand the No Dogs policy. I've seen first hand not everyone is a good pet owner.
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Our National Parks are our treasurers. I can understand the No Dogs policy. I've seen first hand not everyone is a good pet owner.
Not everyone is a good parent either. Shall we have a no children policy. Of course not. For many our pets are family. There will always be bad characters and I have no trouble with them being fined but a little tolerance and compromise is far better than punishing the responsible ones as well.
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Totally agree Raz.
Yes National Parks are off our list until we are dogless. We previously camped at Glacier NP and lovely trail around the lake right by our campsite but couldn't go on it with dog, I remember you couldn't even walk up the path to the visitor centre, parking lot only
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Not everyone is a good parent either. Shall we have a no children policy. Of course not. For many our pets are family. There will always be bad characters and I have no trouble with them being fined but a little tolerance and compromise is far better than punishing the responsible ones as well.
I've been to a few National Parks, the biggest complaint that visitors seem to have is stepping into dog poop. Also I've seen dogs chasing the local residents (wildlife). I've also seen dogs left in RVs that bark all day. For those reasons I have no problem with dogs being banned in most of the park.

Here's a link to Zion's pet rules.

Dogs may be your babies, and that's ok, but you need to understand that other people don't see your dog that way. They it as an ANIMAL and nothing more.
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In 50 years of camping I have been annoyed by more generators than either dogs or children.
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There are responsible dog owners and responsible generator users. The ones who are not responsible spoil it for the responsible ones. If everyone were responsible, dog restrictions would not have been put in place. The problem is the proliferation of rudeness. Many members of today's population care only about what they want, and to hell with everyone else.


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Actually, Zion is one of the best National Parks for dogs since that have at least one trail that allows them. Most of the rest of them do not allow dogs on any trails. Some state parks do allow dogs on trails, but even some of them don't. For example, the trail to Hanging Lake in Colorado.

I have mixed feelings - Personally, I could not travel with a pet since there is only me & I spend a great deal of time away from the trailer. I wouldn't leave a dog in an unattended trailer, both for the dog's sake as well as the neighbors - I've spent too many times listening to barking left behind dogs.

Many trails have tight quarters that make it difficult for owners to keep their dogs away from other hikers. While it doesn't happen often, I've been bitten twice while on trails, and have had to avoid dog droppings more than once, so I can understand why the general rule is no dogs on trails.

Still, I know many dog owners that have well mannered pets that would cause no problems, but have yet to discover a way to tell them from the pets (and owners) that do. A difficult problem...
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Many trails have tight quarters that make it difficult for owners to keep their dogs away from other hikers.
Those retractable leashes that feed out 20-30' of line should be banned, and not just in parks.
A leash is a leash and is six feet long.
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I never had any desire to take my dog on a trip - too much hassle, and she wouldn't have enjoyed it anyway.

We live near the Everglades, but why would anybody want to take a dog there? It could get eaten by a gator. Plenty of other places where dogs are allowed.

We were at FD Roosevelt SP in GA last month and it seemed like almost everyone had a dog out on the trail. Most owners were well-behaved and took care of their pets.
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Our dog loves camping. He enjoys the drive, meeting people, hiking, and so on. We take him whenever possible. I bothered to train him as a pup, and he is really no bother to other people. Many people here have met him.

However, there are many, many irresponsible dog owners, who do not bother to train their dogs, whether it is to heel, come, or not bark. These people are the ones who have wrecked it for those who are responsible dog owners. Even I have trouble tolerating many of these dogs. Because of this, I fully understand why where there is a great concentration of people in an area, that they do not allow dogs. Very unfortunate, but a reality.

It frustrates me to no end folks who don't pick up after their dog, especially in public areas. baglo mentioned leashes, and this is a real irksome thing with me too. I can have my dog heel right at my side without a leash, while others have their leashed dog running around on a 30' tether. Tell me, which one is the most under control?

And yes, kids can be just as much trouble as dogs, maybe more. It is the same type people that don't bother to train their dogs, that seem to have unruly kids. I just love to see kids camping, but am bothered very much with those that have no manners at all. My kids would not have dared to act out in the way some do, yet they too loved (and still love) camping.

I was a Zion a couple years ago. What a great place to explore. Lots of people though, even in the off season. Still there are a couple hikes that anyone needs to put on their bucket list, The Riverside Walk and Angel's Landing. Both memorable hikes I hope to do again. Knowing we were going there, we left our dog at home with one of my brothers. I have friends and kids that would take him for weeks too. Another benefit of a well trained dog, is that people jump at the opportunity to have him for a few weeks.

Jasper is only 8, so we will likely have him around fro another 8 years or so, and when he is gone, it is uncertain that we will get another dog. We most definitely do want one, just not the hassles of taking one on the road with us.
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What the National parks, and many folks who don't have a pet don't get is that 20-30 minutes of exercise like chasing a ball or a Frisbee will tire a dog to the point where he will sleep for hours. A dog chained to a trailer for hours is bored and will bark at anything. Most campgrounds we have been in when the staff are asked will direct us to a place to run the dog. The NPS is the exception.

Bear in mind I'm sure there is something you do that bothers others.
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Not everyone is a good parent either. Shall we have a no children policy. Of course not. For many our pets are family. There will always be bad characters and I have no trouble with them being fined but a little tolerance and compromise is far better than punishing the responsible ones as well.
Well said, Raz.

I am NOT of the "love me...love my dog" crowd. I understand, And I follow the rules. Irresponsible and thoughtless people abound, and in a large crowd, there are just more of them, it seems. Rude people can ruin your day, if you let them. WE are the worst animals on the planet, but what can you do.

Coming from a rural home, the traffic and the hoards at popular places makes me want to turn around and leave. And I have done just that.
It's a shame, but I get it. It's just not worth fighting it, sometimes.

I know that when people innocently use the words: "Pet Owner", they're not thinking of a slave/master relationship, or pets as accessories, but it still bothers me some. I own my Scamp, not my dog. Nobody ever called me a "Child Owner" when I was raising my kids. But I love my dog. I don't expect anyone else to.

Carry on

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