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Old 03-19-2018, 03:17 PM   #57
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Now I am confused, sorry.
radio slang, 10-4 is 'acknowledged' or 'message received'. widely adopted by CB radio users in the 70s, but dates back to police radio in the 1930s.
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:21 PM   #58
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yeah, OP == Original Poster, eg, the one who asked the innocent question that all us armchair experts will expound upon endlessly.




my 2008 (gen 2) tacoma is considerably narrower than your Express van, and I only barely needed mirror extenders, in fact, I just used a driver side extender part of the way driving my 'new' E21 home the 1800 miles from dallas to santa cruz via reno... your Van will do just fine pulling most *any* fiberglass van, but if its a 1500, do watch your payload, a well optioned 1500 has less net payload than you might think. but an extended body van is probably a 3500, so sky is the limit. hah.
Mine is a 2500. They no longer manufacture the 1500s. Im happy towing just about half the recommended max, so Im good😊
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radio slang, 10-4 is 'acknowledged' or 'message received'. widely adopted by CB radio users in the 70s, but dates back to police radio in the 1930s.
Thanks, John. I should have paid more attention when this was on the car radio -
a few decades ago.

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Thanks, John. I should have paid more attention when this was on the car radio -
a few decades ago.

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Love this! My dad was a chicago fire fighter and local trucker on his days off at the fire dept. Back in the 70s when I was a young whippersnapper we went on one of our annual family road trips out west when I watched in amazement as my dad spoke another lingo on the CB! Great fun and wonderful memories. And a belated thanks to all the truckers who honked their very loud horns for myself and my neotjer😊
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Old 03-20-2018, 11:22 AM   #61
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Well, since this is in the full timing section, I would get the fifth wheel for sure. When towing, overall length is quite a bit shorter than either the 19 or 21, yet it by far has the most interior space. I also like the natural separation you get between the sleeping area and the rest of the trailer.
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My 5.0TA with the cargo box (18" behind bumper) hitched to my F-150 with a 6.5' bed, is 38' 9", tip to tail.
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:05 PM   #63
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Well, since this is in the full timing section, I would get the fifth wheel for sure. When towing, overall length is quite a bit shorter than either the 19 or 21, yet it by far has the most interior space. I also like the natural separation you get between the sleeping area and the rest of the trailer.
Sadly, the 5th wheel wont work since I dont have a truck. I will be towing with a van. I can totally see the appeal and functionality, though.
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Old 05-06-2018, 05:44 AM   #64
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Just wondering if Escape will put double beds in the 21' where the single bed is now, the wife and I don't want to crawl over each other in the middle of the night.

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Just wondering if Escape will put double beds in the 21' where the single bed is now, the wife and I don't want to crawl over each other in the middle of the night.

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This is confusing as you don’t crawl over on a 21. If you meant the 19, the bed is 58 inches front to back, so you would have to be under 4-10 to make that work. If you put two twins side by side in the 19, the person in the back twin would crawl over. Or just make a bed on the dinette every night and have two beds PITA.

Short of deleting the bath on the 21, you are not going to fit two beds in with a center aisle. Major change for Escape I can’t imagine they would do it. And you’d lose the bath.
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This is the layout for the 21' Escape. IF you tried to make two beds in the space of the double, each bed would be 27 inches wide with NO space between. Dang skinny bed! A twin is 38 inches wide.
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If you meant the 19, the bed is 58 inches front to back,
It's actually 60 inches - a full queen width.
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Short of deleting the bath on the 21, you are not going to fit two beds in with a center aisle.
Even deleting the bath (you're right, they won't) doesn't work because the passenger side bed would be in the way of the entry door.

Something that gets discussed quite a bit on the Escape Forum is the idea of a 21, but with a 19 layout. Dinette in front, bed in back, with a side bath instead of it being in the front corner.

This would be a little like an Oliver or Casita layout, the difference being that instead of a side dinette and front bath, you'd have a side bath and front dinette. If that layout ever existed, it would probably be easy to make the rear bed two beds with a skinny aisle between them, as Oliver does. We personally don't care for the skinny beds with an aisle, and much prefer one big bed, but there are probably alot of folks who would like it.
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my wife sleeps on the curb side, I sleep on the street side, with our heads towards the front of the trailer, I can easily flip the covers over myself and skinny down off the foot end of the bed for those 2am bathroom runs.
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We have the 17B with the rear dinette set as a bed. My wife sleeps at the very back and I'm next to the aisle since I get up more often in the night, and besides, when she crawls out, she's on top.
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Thanks, John. I should have paid more attention when this was on the car radio -
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Hey Donna Dee: Maybe we could adapt this song for our convoy heading East to Winnipeg in August?
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