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Old 07-25-2007, 09:49 PM   #1
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Same monthly cost as the EVDO air cards... $59/mo.

America's #1 Choice for high speed Broadband by Satellite.

With HughesNet®, your super-fast, always-on, satellite Internet access is ready when you are—no dialing in, no waiting and no tied-up phone lines. You can download files in seconds, check email instantly and surf faster than you ever imagined. And HughesNet is compatible with Windows and Mac, so getting online anywhere in the contiguous U.S. is easy!

A good explanation: http://www.buygold.net/dw/direcway.htm
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Same monthly cost as the EVDO air cards... $59/mo.

America's #1 Choice for high speed Broadband by Satellite.

With HughesNet®, your super-fast, always-on, satellite Internet access is ready when you are—no dialing in, no waiting and no tied-up phone lines. You can download files in seconds, check email instantly and surf faster than you ever imagined. And HughesNet is compatible with Windows and Mac, so getting online anywhere in the contiguous U.S. is easy!

A good explanation: http://www.buygold.net/dw/direcway.htm
"WARNING, WARNING, WARNING, Will Robinson"

I "upgraded" from broadband to satellite about six weeks ago; it sucks.

I had broadband through a radio link to a tower in town (about 4 miles away) and I was dissatisfied because of slow downs when the server got busy.

I signed up with Dish Network satellite internet service from Wild Blue; it sucks.

After a rain, it takes two or three hours for the link to recover. I think it's because the dish stays wet. I've looked outside and see clear skies to the south and I still have no connection.

The worst problem, however, is caused by the inherent round trip delay from my modem through the satellite to the server on the ground; it sucks.

Downloading a file is no problem. Downloading some web pages takes forever (three or four minutes for some pages).

FGRV has no problems, thanks to Mr Sanders, but many sites are so slow it seems to take forever. The worst I've found is my on-line bank. After entering my login, it takes over two minutes for it to load the accounts summary page. Then when I click on Bill Pay, I sit for well over three minutes waiting for it to load the bill payment page.

Many web sites are designed such that each separate element requires a new connection to load. I can watch the bottom of my screen and see "connecting...," "waiting...," "loading...," over and over again for three or four minutes while each element of the page loads. I realize this is poor web site design, but it's a fact of life for many if not most web sites.

Mike, why don't you contract to redesign NetBank's web site?

The really stupid part of all this is that I signed up for 18 months of "service." It sucks.

If you're on a ranch in Nebraska and thirty miles from town, satellite internet may be just the ticket for you. If you have [b]any other option give it a bye.

Did I mention, "it sucks?"
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:16 AM   #3
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My bother got WildBlue out on his ranch and it seemed very slow. My understanding is that HughesNet® is much better. I think I read that some providers offer a 30 day money back guarantee.

This is something I must double check. The tripod and setup equipment is pretty spendy.

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Here is an interesting comparison.
http://www.copperhead.cc/wbhn.htm
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My bother got WildBlue out on his ranch and it seemed very slow. My understanding is that HughesNet® is much better. I think I read that some providers offer a 30 day money back guarantee.

This is something I must double check. The tripod and setup equipment is pretty spendy.

Thanks Morgan.
I've read up on several usenet groups and from the posts I've seen Hughes is worse than Wild Blue. Neither of them have customer service.

The problems caused by latency will apply to all providers; it's a physics thing. Some are marginally better than others, but the roundtrip to the satellite is essentially the same for all of them.

As I said, the latency problem is seriously compounded by poorly designed web sites; those that require a new connection (and handshakes) for each element of a page.
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Latency was also a problem for the phone companies using satellite before there was plenty of bandwidth on intercontinental fiber. Military circuits with multiple hops were very disconcerting to speak across.

What ATT used to do is send one side of the conversation by cable and the return by satellite, cutting the latency almost in half but making the facilities more vulnerable to failure.

Sounds like you guys should be reading this Yahoo Group:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R...etBySatellite/
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Mike,

Thought you were going to use the new wireless antenna and go that route. Did it not work well?
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Thought you were going to use the new wireless antenna and go that route. Did it not work well?
I am going the wireless route.

I am looking forward to when wireless is not available say when I am boon-docking. Then what are my options?
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I am going the wireless route.

I am looking forward to when wireless is not available say when I am boon-docking. Then what are my options?
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In your case, Mike, satellite may be the only option. Just know the pitfalls.

Are you sure you can even get satellite service in a mobile platform? Dish Network was adamant the installation had to be done by their "professional" installer. Dish alignment is much more critical than for one-way TV.

Come over and try my connection before you sign up.
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In your case, Mike, satellite may be the only option. Just know the pitfalls.

Are you sure you can even get satellite service in a mobile platform? Dish Network was adamant the installation had to be done by their "professional" installer. Dish alignment is much more critical than for one-way TV.

Come over and try my connection before you sign up.
Morgan, I have Dish Network TV and it is pretty easy to set up. I also set up Phil’s in AZ. The software in the menus makes it quite straight forward.

Now, the [b]satellite Internet system seems to be harder from what I read. WildBlue does NOT have set up software and does not allow users to set up. HugesNet Internet is similar to Dish Network. HugesNet has software to alien the satellite dish and it has 10 satellites to chose from making it much more available all across North America.

I went to a HughesNet dealer and talked to him about Fulltiming and using HughesNet. He said it is hard to set up and NOT for the average consumer. After talking a little while, he said I would have no trouble setting it up. Also, HughesNet does NOT sell or recommend the units as “Mobile” units.

There are many people using them as Mobile units though. Pete Dumbleton’s link is an example. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R...etBySatellite/ I also found Escapees that do the same.


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Mike,
This is the FAQ from HughesNet:

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19) Q: Can I put this system on a boat or in an RV?

A: HughesNet® Home and Professional service is available for non-mobile (fixed) locations. To receive mobile high-speed Internet service, please contact one of the following Value Added Service providers:

Ground Control www.groundcontrol.com
1-800-773-7168
MobilSat www.mobilsat.com
757-312-8300
MotoSAT www.motosat.com
It's probably expensive though. I did remember something about how the dish needs to be 6 feet off the ground. What makes this more complicated is the fact that you will be transmitting to the satellite. The FCC regulates that. Don't know if the above helped or not but good luck.

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Mike, you turned it down earlier, but there's still Internet by Data Card, depending on the cell coverage in the places where you are likely to camp.

I just read on another group that Dish with newer equipment at home charges $5/month extra if you are not connected to a phone line (dunno if that includes a cell phone or data card [which is assigned a telephone number in the VZW system, for one]). The old equipment doesn't carry the charge.
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