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Old 02-08-2012, 08:54 AM   #29
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We've had three small trailers. In two of them we had the beds set up continuously, In one of those cases we had a seperate full dinette and in the other a side dinette.

Presently we make the bed up every night and that's fine as well.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:06 AM   #30
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Bigfoot has a 175FB with a double. I think replacing/converting the dinette in the 175CB with a double bed would result in a better floor plan. Their 21 and 25 foot floor plans have permanent beds too and much larger CCCs but then you'd end up like us in a 3500 Diesel!

We personally like the extra width of Bigfoot and Lil' Snoozy campers. It doesn't seem like much but it makes a huge difference. Do you have a bed size you are targeting or just the idea of a permanent bed? Very easily, any dinette can be converted to a permanent bed. If it was just me, with no plans to be +1 and if the fur babies are OK with the couch, I'd convert a 2 person dinette to a single... Bigfoot 175G or Casita Spirit 16/17. I just think that would be a better use of space for a permanent bed.

If you need/want larger then any full dinette can be converted. You could add full extension drawers underneath, if the floor plan allows, which would make getting to the under bed stuff easier. We originally wanted a Bigfoot 21RB but found a 25RQ. The biggest reasons for us to get it instead of a 21 were cost and tank sizes. If it were only up to me I'd replace the jackknife in the front with a double and turn the bedroom area into a living room. At this time I'm over-ruled.

Don't cross those without permanent beds off your list entirely since you can make them fit you with some changes. I'd make a second list of campers that would be ideal with a few changes. I know how frustrating it can be looking and hoping a camper comes up. You may need to take a vacation to an area that has many more available to at least get inside them.

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Old 02-08-2012, 09:07 AM   #31
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I believe on the Escape the fresh water tank is located under the bed, thereby eliminating some of the available storage. Not sure where the tank is on Lil Snoozy. Look on the Escape forum for pictures of the underbid tank location.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:29 AM   #32
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The freshwater tank on an Escape is mounted outside under the rear of the trailer although some people have opted to mount it under the bed.
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Old 02-08-2012, 11:41 AM   #33
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It seems a permanent bed that lifts for storage or even one with doors like the Lil' Snoozy would be the ideal and this came to mind when I read about someone using the dinette for a permanent bed and therefore not really using the storage underneath. With campers and two kids, I am very familiar with making up the dinette into a bed everyday and when they were in it, I guess, it was a lot more difficult because they didn't want to get up until they were ready for the breakfast that I refused to make until the table was ready!
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:26 PM   #34
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To make sure my post was clear... by converted I mean re-designed and altered through construction to be permanent and not making it into a bed by folding it down. I value a permanent bed after owning a van that required us to turn the couch into a bed every night and back into a couch every morning. If you choose to alter the dinette to make a permanent bed you could make the underneath storage accessible in any way you want.

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Old 02-13-2012, 12:16 PM   #35
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Cathy, you might also want to look at a Deluxe Scamp. They will customize any of their standard sizes. The bed is wider, and you can add cabinets. Plus, the wood interiors ae lovely.
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I believe on the Escape the fresh water tank is located under the bed, thereby eliminating some of the available storage.

Look on the Escape forum for pictures of the under-bed tank location.
The fresh water tank on the 19' double axle Escape is in the back, under the bed. The fresh water tank on the 17' single axle Escape is in the front, under the street-side bench.
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The fresh water tank on the 19' double axle Escape is in the back, under the bed. The fresh water tank on the 17' single axle Escape is in the front, under the street-side bench.
The standard location for the fresh water tank on the Escape 17 and 19 is outside under the rear of the trailer. Some people have had it mounted inside under the rear bed in the 19 but I've never heard of or seen one mounted up front in a 17. Most of the street-side bench storage space is taken up by the black tank.
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The standard location for the fresh water tank on the Escape 17 and 19 is outside under the rear of the trailer. Some people have had it mounted inside under the rear bed in the 19 but I've never heard of or seen one mounted up front in a 17. Most of the street-side bench storage space is taken up by the black tank.
The black tank in the bench storage? As in black water? Inside?
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The black tank in the bench storage? As in black water? Inside?
Why not? It's not like it vents to the inside of the trailer!!! although a leak would be nasty. I've heard of tanks leaking after getting hit by something when mounted outside but not when inside. There is also only one big hole going in at the top and another one going out at the bottom.

What could possibly go wrong. !!!!!!
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The black tank in the bench storage? As in black water? Inside?
That's where it is on MANY trailers - including my Boler 1700. Generally it has to be mounted high so it will drain well
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Glad I am aware of that! I don't want it inside and am seriously considering the cassette toilet which I have had and loved compared to the black water tank! So, I'm wondering how many units put the black water tank inside the trailer? I dislike chemicals and try to use all natural products when I can. Gosh, maybe I should just air out the tent!
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The standard location for the fresh water tank on the Escape 17 and 19 is outside under the rear of the trailer.
That could be my bad. When I saw the 1st 19' double axle Escape at the Oregon Gathering, the fresh tank was on top of the floor but under the queen bed. Reace might have decided that under the trailer is a better location for more recent builds.

I weighed one 17' Escape that had a 500 pound tongue weight, and the owner was concerned. She re-weighed it the next year and it was 340 pounds. When I asked what she changed, the answer was the the 1st time the fresh tank was full and the second time the fresh tank was empty. My fiber Stream has its fresh water tank under the bench in the front street-side corner and I assumed hers was the same, for that one change to have such a dramatic reduction in tongue weight.
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