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Old 07-04-2013, 08:36 AM   #15
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If you are a full timer what address do you have on your drivers licence?
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:42 AM   #16
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Normally full timers pick a state that allows "residency" via a drivers license and a po box address. Some tax free states like South Dakota have mail forwarding services where any mail can be sent to where you specify when you are traveling "out of state". Thus you pick a favorable state tax state and obtain a license and a mailing address even though you may only be there one day a year.
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If you are a full timer what address do you have on your drivers license?
Domicile Planning, Etc.
The big 3 Domicile choices are:
  • South Dakota
  • Texas
  • Florida
From my research, Domicile choice depends upon:
  1. No State Income Tax
  2. Availability of a street address (NOT P.O. box) with mail forwarding privileges.
  3. Least amount of time required to be physically present in state
    • No "extra" vehicle inspection sticker
    • No smog test
    • Renew by mail
    • Liberal Voter Registration
  4. Inexpensive Domicile-based insurance rates
  5. Liberal firearm registration/concealed carry permit requirements
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Normally full timers pick a state that allows "residency" via a drivers license and a po box address. Some tax free states like South Dakota have mail forwarding services where any mail can be sent to where you specify when you are traveling "out of state". Thus you pick a favorable state tax state and obtain a license and a mailing address even though you may only be there one day a year.
The US Postal Service explicitly does NOT forward letter mail or parcels from a Post Office Box. UPS and FedEx will not ship to a Post Office Box address. The private mail forwarding businesses provide an actual Street address that looks like you live in an Apartment Building to 3rd parties.
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Frederick,
I suggested PO box merely as an address, one normally does not expect to receive mail there nor expect mail forwarding, they just need an address for license and other registration. If the state allows it, then I'd get one. I would never have anything shipped there as I'm not there. But this leads to another question, how does one apply for and receive a credit card while living in never never land. One can pay their bills and set up direct deposit banking on line but credit cards are normally mailed at renewal time?? One's address may change several times over the life of a credit card.
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Old 07-04-2013, 03:26 PM   #20
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Credit cards can be automatically paid by having the balance deducted from your bank account. I don't do this but have friends who do. I have several bills paid by this deduction including house, car, and RV insurance, electric service, etc. Very convenient especially when I expect to be away from home for extended periods of time.
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I suggested PO box merely as an address, one normally does not expect to receive mail there nor expect mail forwarding, they just need an address for license and other registration. If the state allows it, then I'd get one. I would never have anything shipped there as I'm not there. But this leads to another question, how does one apply for and receive a credit card while living in never never land. One can pay their bills and set up direct deposit banking on line but credit cards are normally mailed at renewal time?? One's address may change several times over the life of a credit card.
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You can have credit cards mailed to any address you want. Last winter while traveling credit cards were mailed to us, but USPS wouldn't forward them to my daughter's address with the rest of the mail. (I had a temporary forwarding). We simply called the credit card company and they mailed them to my daughter, who then mailed them along with other mail to General Delivery where we were located all in one box.
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Old 07-04-2013, 04:06 PM   #23
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We went full timing in April and wanted our domicile to continue in Fl. We were lucky enough to find a mail service right in Sarasota where we lived for the past 12 years that supplies a physical street address as well as a post office box. We have our mail shipped to us once a month and it is usually something on the idea of birthday cards or magazine subscriptions etc. we pay our bills online, we vote absentee ballot which we have done for a couple of years anyway, and so on. We camp host occasionally in state parks and we we have not so far been refused to have delivery of pkgs to their address. Like the many of the opinions we don't see a problem with the feds over staying at their facilities within their timeframe.
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Being the devil's advocate here: I can see the fed argument. As a weekend camper, it's frustrating not to be able to find a campsite. Retirees should have a right to use campgrounds- but not to monopolize them. I think there should be a limit of time that could be reserved in some popular campgrounds and then after that, they should have to take what's available.

Obviously, though, this wouldn't apply to less popular areas. But it would be easy for them to identify campgrounds that qualified as high demand, and limit any person to at most, say, eight weekends in such campgrounds during a given calendar year. (Which is a lot.) From my point of view, trying to get a campsite, it doesn't make much difference that couple A left after two weeks and couple B took their place- I still can't find a site.

The residency question results from our stupid system of state governents vs. federal government. Everyone is allowed to go everywhere so why have different laws in different states? I could resent that someone can take their income from a non-income tax state and spend time in California (using our tax-supported facilities) without becoming a California resident. So I think if a fulltimer spends more than, say, 25% of their time in any one state, the state in which they spend the most time should have to be their state of residence.

Or... there could simply be a US residence ID available- for someone who spends less than 3 months in any state, they could just have a general US residence and drivers license.

Otherwise, what really IS the difference between an out-of-work person camping on federal lands because he can't afford rent and a fulltimer?
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Wasn't there this guy who built a very nice tree house on federal land and was living there free? How do you get away with that? Rangers also do not like mountain bikers making trails.
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Being the devil's advocate here: I can see the fed argument. As a weekend camper, it's frustrating not to be able to find a campsite. Retirees should have a right to use campgrounds- but not to monopolize them. I think there should be a limit of time that could be reserved in some popular campgrounds and then after that, they should have to take what's available.

Obviously, though, this wouldn't apply to less popular areas. But it would be easy for them to identify campgrounds that qualified as high demand, and limit any person to at most, say, eight weekends in such campgrounds during a given calendar year. (Which is a lot.) From my point of view, trying to get a campsite, it doesn't make much difference that couple A left after two weeks and couple B took their place- I still can't find a site.



The residency question results from our stupid system of state governents vs. federal government. Everyone is allowed to go everywhere so why have different laws in different states? I could resent that someone can take their income from a non-income tax state and spend time in California (using our tax-supported facilities) without becoming a California resident. So I think if a fulltimer spends more than, say, 25% of their time in any one state, the state in which they spend the most time should have to be their state of residence.

Or... there could simply be a US residence ID available- for someone who spends less than 3 months in any state, they could just have a general US residence and drivers license.

Otherwise, what really IS the difference between an out-of-work person camping on federal lands because he can't afford rent and a fulltimer?
Bobbie, if it will make you feel better we spend between 6&7 months in Florida where we have our domicile so I hope that we qualify for doing the right thing, even full timers can't find a site now and then but in our case I have nobody to blame but ourselves. you have to always have a plan B and sometimes we all tend to forget that. so far every state park which we use mostly leave a certain percentage of sites for walk ins, but you must have heard the old saying that "it is the early bird gets the worm"
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I'm not quite sure what the issue is here. If you have a drivers license with an address on it and only stay the alloted time. What's the difference between me who lives in an actual house and a full timer.

If either of us were asked for identification, we'd both show our drivers licenses with actual street addresses on them. So we look the same. Maybe fulltimers should not advertise that they are full timers.

I also think there aren't many people who would think anyone would full time in any of our small little trailers. So don't advertize it.

Having said that: With all the Government data gathering it's possible that in the future a Ranger might only need to put your address into his I Phone to find out whether your address is an actual house or not.

Right now I would worry about it.
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I'm not quite sure what the issue is here.
The issue, according to the Threadtitle, is that someone thinks that, and here I quote,
" Fulltimers are not allowed to "camp" in Forest Service Campgrounds".

This is simply untrue.

Anyone can camp in Forest Service Campgrounds and/or Forest Service lands if/where open to such uses. No one is permitted to stay beyond established time limits unless by specific permission. This is hardly new, or "news"; nor is the policy limited to Forest Service lands/campgrounds. Every agency with jurisdiction over Public Lands whether Local, State, or National- has some similar policy.

Much ado about nothing, in my opinion.

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