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Old 07-11-2010, 07:51 PM   #15
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FYI, both escapees and WIN require that the rig be entirely self-contained. That let's me out, with my 13' Boler.
I wonder what "entirely self-contained" means, and if that would let your Boler 13 out?

Is it that you have to be able to go to the bathroom inside? One can do that with a Porta-Pottie or WAG bags.

Maybe you have to be able to shower inside? I don't know that it would be my first choice, but people have set up showers in 13-ers (say, with a tub, curtain, and garden sprayer).

Need to be able to store greywater? One can put in a tank or use a Jerry jug under the sink.

I know I probably sound a bit flip, but really, how are larger RV's "self-contained"? Do they not need to get water from a source outside the trailer? Do they not have to dump greywater? Do they not buy food and supplies from Wal-mart? What about fuel? Is plugging into electricity "self-contained"?

To me a 13-er that is set up for two weeks of boondocking, or a cruising sailboat with 200 gallons of water, food for 3 months, and no need for fuel are both a lot closer to "self-contained" --- but I betcha they don't define it that way.



Okay, I know, a private club can set up the membership to exclude green trailers, or cats, or people towing with Fords - it just gets my goat sometimes the way things like "self-contained" seem to be code for "really big and expensive and... what WE have."

:grumble, grumble: :and maybe I'm way off base anyway:
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Old 07-11-2010, 08:18 PM   #16
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Hi Raya - the 'rules' said entirely self-contained for 5 days. I don't have a toilet, much less black/gray water tanks; and I'm not going to use my Coleman stove inside the Boler. Don't think I'd fit.

As I think about it, the emphasis on 'rules' suggests something that's not my cup of tea.

I like groups that I fit into without effort - too much 'measuring up' / keeping up with the Jones' is just not where I'm at. So while the two groups mentioned sound great, and I'm sure they are for some, they're not for me.

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I wonder what "entirely self-contained" means, and if that would let your Boler 13 out?

Is it that you have to be able to go to the bathroom inside? One can do that with a Porta-Pottie or WAG bags.

Maybe you have to be able to shower inside? I don't know that it would be my first choice, but people have set up showers in 13-ers (say, with a tub, curtain, and garden sprayer).

Need to be able to store greywater? One can put in a tank or use a Jerry jug under the sink.

I know I probably sound a bit flip, but really, how are larger RV's "self-contained"? Do they not need to get water from a source outside the trailer? Do they not have to dump greywater? Do they not buy food and supplies from Wal-mart? What about fuel? Is plugging into electricity "self-contained"?

To me a 13-er that is set up for two weeks of boondocking, or a cruising sailboat with 200 gallons of water, food for 3 months, and no need for fuel are both a lot closer to "self-contained" --- but I betcha they don't define it that way.



Okay, I know, a private club can set up the membership to exclude green trailers, or cats, or people towing with Fords - it just gets my goat sometimes the way things like "self-contained" seem to be code for "really big and expensive and... what WE have."

:grumble, grumble: :and maybe I'm way off base anyway:
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:45 PM   #17
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The "self-contained" requirement also reminds me of some of the private RV parks that will accept only RVs of a certain size and age. They have the right to discriminate, but we do not have to play their silly game!
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Old 07-20-2010, 11:48 AM   #18
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As the world becomes more environmentally conscious about the bad things we are doing to our world, the more restrictive we're going to see when it comes to everything from campfires (and wood) to the need to be "self-contained." It would be nice to think everyone is a clean camper and doesn't dump gray/blackwater on the ground, but that's not true. Some of the more primitive areas in Oregon are becoming literally trashed and the ground under feet fouled. To me, it's not a matter of fitting in, it's a matter of being a good steward of our planet. YMMV.
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:18 PM   #19
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Well said Donna.

Our motto is that we don't leave a campsite as we found it, we try and leave it better than we found it.
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Old 07-25-2010, 12:29 PM   #20
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The thing that bugs me is that I can't dump my gray water from my holding tank but hey, what do they think the tenters are doing with their gray water!!! My trailer gray water isn't any different than tenters gray water.

I have always loved Oregon State parks and in particular the gray water dumps they have dispersed throughout their campgrounds. On a long stay I periodically drain some of my gray water into a bucket and take it to the gray water dumps near by only using the RV dump site upon leaving the campground.
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Old 07-25-2010, 03:51 PM   #21
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The "self-contained" requirement also reminds me of some of the private RV parks that will accept only RVs of a certain size and age. They have the right to discriminate, [b]but we do not have to play their silly game!
  • An old Native American proverb states, "Do not judge me until you have walked a mile in my moccasins."
  • A teacher I had in High School told me, "Life, like English, is not in the rules. It is in the exceptions."
  • I think it was the Dali llama who said, "You must know the rules, so that you can break them [b]properly."
The perpetrators of problems are [b]people. Unfortunately, the operators of private RV parks do not have the right to discriminate against [b]people.
But they are allowed to [b]set standards, as long as those standards cannot be misconstrued as discriminatory.

I have good friends that work in the hospitality industry. They used to own a large Bed-and-Breakfast Inn, but sold it after 5 years. After a period of recovery, they hired on to manage a 12 unit Motel. They escaped from there after only 2 years. They now are maintenance staff at an RV park, but they will have to give that up soon. The horror stories they tell from the other side of the desk...

Several "RV Resorts" in San Diego are recently upgraded old "Trailer Parks" which at one time were unkempt properties with decrepit decaying immobile trailers whose permanent residents mainly subsided on welfare. They are on prime real estate that might have been converted to condos, but their new owners recognized the need for convenient RV accommodations. But who is going to rent a weekend there if word gets out your next door neighbor is dealing meth?

After the Oregon Gathering, Robert and I visited his brother in Portland, who lives in a dense neighborhood without space for our Fiber Stream. Before leaving San Diego, I looked online for an RV park or campground, convenient to the city, but they all had age restrictions. Somewhere in the rules statement for one park, there was a disclaimer that they might make an exception to the age limit for something like "a restored vintage Airstream, for example." I emailed them asking for a reservation for my Restored Vintage Travel Trailer and attached a recent photograph of the Fiber Stream. They phoned me a day later to confirm that they received my email, and asked a few questions, to confirm that there was "no peeling paint or broken windows." I told them over the phone that it had been in several shows. They reserved a spot and told me which space I would be in, and did not require a deposit. While I fretted about being turned away when I showed up, check-in was uneventful.

My point is this:
We all discuss here what we do to protect ourselves. The park owners do the same thing.
Learn how to not be a threat to them, they usually don't know you from Adam...
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
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Old 10-31-2010, 12:06 PM   #22
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Awww, thanks guys (gals included of course), this is the first site I went to when I had the internet for any amount of time.

Oh, I learned about Flying J's too, what a great resource for RV-ers! It has saved me so much money.

So, am I the only first time full timer that wasted a lot of money in my first six or eight months because I was a newbie? I can't be mad at myself for not knowing, but I think I wasted about $5000 in the beginning because of inexperience. For the new first time full timer, I think I am going to start a new topic so we can all tell them what we have learned and maybe save them time and money the first go around...looking forward to your comments on it...I bet I will learn some tricks from it too...Monica
Although this is an old post, I'm new here and reading these posts. I'm curious as to why you said you wasted $5k? What and how do you feel this occurred?
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Old 10-31-2010, 01:39 PM   #23
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Is there a thread where fulltimers can post their lessons learned, so when people make the jump they don't have too learn the hard way?
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:40 AM   #24
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Hi Monica - I have recently joined the fiberglass forum and saw your posts. I am in the market to buy an egg and am planning to live in it for a year - have rented my house out. I will be in NC the whole time except when I take trips away. How did you survive the winter? I'll be at a campground with full hook ups. How do you keep your water going? I see others talk about winterizing your lines with antifreeze - but I was planning on using the water hook up full time. Is that not possible? Am I crazy?

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Hi all, I know I have been MIA for months now, but I gave up my costly internet service in favor of reading. I missed you all.

Just wanted to let you all know that I had my travel-versary on April 2nd, the day I hit the road full time and for the first time. I went all the way right away...lol.

I have learned so much in this first year, met so many people, seen so many places and had many great adventures.

I was even stalked by a 72 year old solo female pot head there for a minute, THANK GOODNESS my home is on wheels and so I just rolled on out of the situation .

I have experienced the "ultra tight" full timer (uses exactly one square of TP as a napkin and if it isn't too dirty, folds it and saves it for the next meal ), and I experienced the "gotta have every gadget imaginable" guy. Glad to say that I find myself somewhere in the middle.

I have made one lasting friendship, worked my first work camping job, spent my first winter in below freezing temps (with no damage), and visited family I hadn't seen in way too long.

I just wanted to let all of you who helped me so much when I was hunting the perfect egg and just getting started that I am absolutely happy with the full time egg living! I feel healthier, wiser, more free, and completely content.

So...Thank you all! Great to see you again, now I got to go and cruise around the site and see what all I have missed!
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gianine, check with the campground to see if they cut the water off in the winter. You might have to fill jugs with water and keep them in the camper where they won't freeze.
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:19 PM   #26
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No - the water is kept on - I've already asked.

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gianine, check with the campground to see if they cut the water off in the winter. You might have to fill jugs with water and keep them in the camper where they won't freeze.
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:43 PM   #27
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What are the low temperatures for winter going to be in NC? If you have extended periods of below freezing, your water lines will have to be wrapped with heat tape, your tanks underneath will have to be shielded from the weather, and your rig will have to be insulated/windows covered to maintain decent temperatures. Lot's to think about to make it through winter in NC with a fiberglass camper.
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Old 11-03-2010, 11:58 PM   #28
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Gianine My wife, Norma, and I spent 5 years in a Santa Fe New Mexico campground in a stickie 5th wheel. Elevation at 7200 feet and more intense winters than are likely to be encontered in NC. My advice is as follows. Heat tape the incoming water lines as recommended. Don't sweat the holding tanks as the object is to not let any liquids accumulate. Use a porta potti for toilet needs. I know you will have to manually dump every several days into the campground black water drain but it beats, by a long shot, the grief you will create if you try to use your blackwater tank in a trailer that is not moved regularly. The motion is required to liquify the waste in the tank for a successful dump and minus the required motion you are looking at complete disaster. So leave the holding tank valve open on the gray water holding tank ( be sure there is sufficient drop for the sewer hose so that all water runs straight into the campground dump ) and there will be nothing in the tank to freeze as the grey water will run right through the holding tank and into the campground system via the sewer hose. We followed the above procedure and in five winters with temperatures as low as 9 degrees below zero never experienced a single problem. Lee
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