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Old 06-01-2016, 01:45 AM   #15
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In California state parks you are allowed to have a seperate container to hold your grey water but must be sealed so no leakage. You are also allowed to have a porto potty to be self contained. Not long ago this was not the case as you had to have seperate grey and black tanks and nothing on the ground.

No black tank or porto potty and no grey tank or sealed grey water container they do not consider you self contained. No open containers for grey sitting directly on the ground.

Blm land in the desert is more loosly defined but basically is the same except they currently define you can't dump anything on the ground. Open buckets for grey water are not an issue but the best not spillover. Private and federal parks are all over the place and regulations can be very tight or loose and selectivly enforced.
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Old 06-01-2016, 02:01 AM   #16
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Just FYI things t know about CALIF laws

California Vehicle Code Towing Sections

21655b You must tow in the designated lane, usually the right hand lane, except for passing. When passing you must use the lane directly on the left of the designated lane.
21712 No passengers can ride in a towed trailer, boat, motorcycle etc, except for certain specially equipped fifth wheel trailers and in boats at boat ramps.
23129 No person shall drive a motor vehicle upon which is mounted a camper containing any passengers unless there is at least one unobstructed exit capable of being opened from both the interior and exterior of such camper.
29003 Every hitch, drawbar, coupler or other connection between motor vehicles towing must be securely attached to the vehicle and be strong enough to handle the weight of whatever you are towing.
29004 Every towed vehicle must be equipped with strong safety chains.
22406 No person shall drive a vehicle towing another vehicle over 55 mph.
26508 Every vehicle or combination of vehicles using compressed air at the wheels for applying the service brakes shall be equipped with an emergency stopping system meeting the requirements of this section and capable of stopping the vehicle or combination of vehicles in the event of failure in the service brake air system.
26302 Every trailer over 1500 lbs must be equipped with brakes on at least 2 wheels.
26453 Trailer brakes shall be maintained in good condition and in good working order and adjusted so all brakes work equally on all wheels.
26458 The braking system on every motor vehicle used to tow another vehicle shall be so arranged that one control on the towing vehicle shall, when applied, operate all the service brakes on the power unit and combination of vehicles when either or both of the following conditions exist: (1) The towing vehicle is required to be equipped with power brakes. (2) The towed vehicle is required to be equipped with brakes and is equipped with power brakes.
27600 All trailers must be equipped with fenders, covers or splashguards to minimize splash of water or mud to the rear of vehicle.
24600 During darkness, every trailer shall be equipped with taillights, stoplamps (24603) license plate light (24601) and turn signal lamps (24950).
24604 Whenever the load or trailer projects more than 4 feet behind the tow vehicle or obstructs the taillights, the projection must be equipped with taillamps. (magnetic lights are OK 24605)
21715 No passenger vehicle regardless of weight, or any commercial vehicle less than 4000 lbs shall tow more than one vehicle in combination except for a car on a tow dolly.
21715-a. No motor vehicle under 4000 lbs shall tow any vehicle 6000 lbs or more.
24608 Trailers over 80 inches in width shall have amber reflectors on each side and front, and red reflectors in the rear.
28060 Recreational vehicle and campers with cooking equipment shall be equipped with a fire extinguisher and shall maintain the fire extinguisher in an efficient operating condition.
29003-c. The raised end of any motor vehicle being transported by another motor vehicle using a tow dolly shall be secured to the tow dolly by two separate chains, cables, or equivalent devices adequate to prevent shifting or separation of the towed vehicle and the tow dolly.
35401 No vehicles in combination may measure more than 65 feet in length, (60’ in designated areas) (Motorhomes, in general, may not be longer than 45')
35100 The total outside width of any vehicle or its load shall not exceed 102 inches, except as otherwise provided in this chapter.
35109 Lights, mirrors, or devices which are required to be mounted upon a vehicle under this code may extend beyond the permissible width of the vehicle to a distance not exceeding 10 inches on each side of the vehicle.
35250 No vehicle or load may exceed 14 ft. in height measured from the surface the vehicle stands on.
The installation of all the safety and hitching equipment for towing is strictly controlled by law. That’s why it is so important that you have a qualified installer help you with the selection and installation of your hitch system.

It is unlawful for any reputable hitch installer to install any hitch on your vehicle that does not qualify for your particular towing situation (of which he is aware).

Knowing the laws of the state you are towing in is important for your towing safety. The unpleasant truth of the matter is that if you are stopped by a police officer or are in an accident, and the officer determines you are towing with the wrong or substandard equipment for your towing needs, you can be held criminally negligent and liable for any injuries and damage that you are involved in. Please take care out there.

Basically I avoid the state been there done that nothing to see except Tahoe and Yosemite. The rest well over priced waste of time head to Nevada, AZ see the Grand Canyon, Utah, WA, Oregon, ID so much more to see and allot less people in your way.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:41 AM   #17
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In California state parks you are allowed to have a seperate container to hold your grey water but must be sealed so no leakage. You are also allowed to have a porto potty to be self contained. Not long ago this was not the case as you had to have seperate grey and black tanks and nothing on the ground.

No black tank or porto potty and no grey tank or sealed grey water container they do not consider you self contained. No open containers for grey sitting directly on the ground...
Can I assume you're talking about state parks without facilities that require self-containment?

We have visited several with facilities, and there was no self-containment requirement. Grey water practices seemed all over the map, based on my observations. Best to ask when you check in.

I agree that having a closed, external tank would cover the most bases, short of retrofitting an onboard tank, which seems like unnecessary overkill in this case.

The idea of a container under the sink is a big yuk for me. It could attract insects and critters to the last place you want them, stink up the trailer, and make a big mess if you forget and let it overflow.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:49 AM   #18
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Basically I avoid the state been there done that nothing to see except Tahoe and Yosemite. The rest well over priced waste of time head to Nevada, AZ see the Grand Canyon, Utah, WA, Oregon, ID so much more to see and allot less people in your way.
We must have gone to a different California !!
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I agree! And if you focus summer travel only on well-known destinations, you will indeed have a lot of people in front of you!
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Old 06-01-2016, 09:55 AM   #20
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California Vehicle Code Towing Sections


It is unlawful for any reputable hitch installer to install any hitch on your vehicle that does not qualify for your particular towing situation (of which he is aware).

Knowing the laws of the state you are towing in is important for your towing safety.

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Apparently, it is legal to have a disreputable hitch installer install any hitch on your vehicle that does not qualify for your particular towing situation (of which he is aware)??
I'm sure that Canadians and folks from other states have figured out how to tow safely without passing the California Bar Exam.
Do right but enjoy your trip, no worries.
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Old 06-01-2016, 10:37 AM   #21
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At the BLM LTVA areas in Arizona & California, there are rules describing what is "self contained". For example, here is a quote from BLM:

"a. In the Midland LTVA, you may camp only in self-contained camping units. The Mule Mountain LTVAs are restricted to self-contained camping units, except within 500 feet of a vault or rest room.

b. Self-contained camping units must have a permanent, affixed waste water holding tank of 10-gallon minimum capacity. BLM does not consider port-a-potty systems, systems that utilize portable holding tanks, or permanent holding tanks of less than 10-gallon capacity, to be self-contained."
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Can I assume you're talking about state parks without facilities that require self-containment?

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At the BLM LTVA areas in Arizona & California, there are rules describing what is "self contained". For example, here is a quote from BLM:

"a. In the Midland LTVA, you may camp only in self-contained camping units. The Mule Mountain LTVAs are restricted to self-contained camping units, except within 500 feet of a vault or rest room.

b. Self-contained camping units must have a permanent, affixed waste water holding tank of 10-gallon minimum capacity. BLM does not consider port-a-potty systems, systems that utilize portable holding tanks, or permanent holding tanks of less than 10-gallon capacity, to be self-contained."
Wow. That's weird: 9 gallon black water tanks are very common.
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Old 06-01-2016, 11:48 AM   #24
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Wow. That's weird: 9 gallon black water tanks are very common.
Yes, very true, and the rule states "waste water" and since my Bigfoot has a 8.5 gallon black water and a 19 gallon grey tank. Two separate tanks The rule says tank (singular) so..... does that mean I'm not legal ??? I don't know. Bureaucrat's, don't ya just love 'em.
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Thanks everyone. Good tips and good links to help us understand the requirements better.
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Randy B's statement: "Basically I avoid the state been there done that nothing to see except Tahoe and Yosemite. The rest well over priced waste of time head to Nevada, AZ see the Grand Canyon, Utah, WA, Oregon, ID so much more to see and allot less people in your way."

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We must have gone to a different California !!
I have to agree with Steve. While California can be expensive, particularly the campgrounds, Washington & Texas are not far behind.

As to things to see, check out Red Rock Canyon State Park (Empty when I was there), Bodie State Historical Park, Mono Lake, and, while i admit it was crowded & overpriced, McArthur-Burney Falls Memorial State Park has one of the most beautiful waterfalls in the country.

While I can see the side of those that would not want to live in California due to the cost of everything & overcrowding of some areas, it still have many locations worth visiting.
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Hi....we will be travelling from BC into the US for the first time with our renovated 1973 Trillium 1300, this summer (Washington, Oregon, N.Cali). Our first time south of the border in a trailer and not a tent! I'm confused by what is required for our trailer in regards to holding tanks and also certification. Specifically:

1 - We have an 8 gallon water tank. We use it mostly for washing hands, brushing teeth etc (grey water). We currently have no on-board grey holding tank for this - we have simply put a bucket underneather the expel hose on the outside behind the wheel to catch the waste water before putting it down the regular campground drain. Are we going to get stopped at the border for not having a self-contained unit? is this a state requirement? or only a requirement if you use water on board?

2 - While looking into RV Parks in San Francisco, we noticed one of them had a requirement for the following: "All RVís must be self-contained. RVís are expected to have proof of inspection by American National Standard Institute (ANSI).". What is the inspection for? Grey and black water (black water NA in our case), or other things as well? Do small tow trailers need to be looked at the same way as RV's or are teh requirements less?

BTW: we'll be staying in a variety of places: State Campgrounds, KOA's, RV Parks, (walmart parking lot?).....

Fortunately, we exersize common sense, but don't want to have any issues travelling south of the border. But at the same time don't want to install or implement systems that are overkill. Thanks for patience while we try to learn more about this... Krista

Hi Krista, as a fellow Canadian who frequently crosses into the US here is my take on what you need to know.

1) There is no requirement that your trailer be self-contained in order to cross over the boarder either entering the US or Entering Canada. BUT you may be asked about it & many other questions about the trailer - BUT only because the border guard is interested in finding themselves the perfect little trailer and they may even tell you they follow this forum. ;-) You would be surprised how many times going both directions that happens. The only certificate you need for the trailer is your ICBC Insurance/Registration papers.


2) ANSI & totally self contained is often/common requirement at some high end RV parks who's clientele is mostly larger newer rigs. A pretty common requirement at private campgrounds in a busy urban area. Its a good way of keeping trailers over X so many years of age out of their parks. Truth is you probable do not want to camp in such a park anyways! :-) BTW you will not find an ANSI sticker on many brand new self-contained Fiberglass trailers either ;-)

Having said that as others have pointed out self contained may also be a requirement at BLM sites down south just as it can be here in BC at Forest Service Sites. There reason for requiring it is very different from the private big rig campgrounds. At BLM and Forest service sites they do not want you dumping your waste water out on the ground and attracting animals. Pack it in, Pack it out and leave no trace rules!

What some folks with small trailers do is use a large paint bucket for their waste water that has screw top opening in the top - put your drain hose down through it. When you leave the area take the bucket of waste water with you. Take your porta potty waste with you as well, if there is no outhouse in the area to dump the potty waste down into.

Will the camp rangers care if you have a bucket that is enclosed on the ground collecting waste water? - that may depend on where you are camped and the types/size of animals that frequent the area. Some may look more favourable on a portable tank that was designed for RV usage that the drain hose connects firmly to vs a large bucket that is easy to tip over.
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You will miss out on some nice places if you avoid California, Gordon. .
Things to do in Calie!
Mission run from one end of Cali to the other..
Shasta, Lassen, Redwoods, Sequoia National Park (I worked at Sequoia for the National Park Service)
San Diego Zoo
Bishop Mule Days
Yosemite
Napa wine Tasting
Lake Tahoe
Olive pit in Corning on your way out!

That's about all the interesting stuff
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