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Old 11-16-2012, 11:39 PM   #15
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I work for a manufacturer of smart phones that will remain nameless ('cause it's not really relevant...) so I've got a particular opinion about these things...

But it might not be what you think...

Maybe I'm a bit of a Luddite, but I don't see this sort of technology improving society. Yeah, it's fun and it's useful, and maybe that's good enough. But is making us better people? Or is it making us worse?

(the internet as a source of information is a very good thing. But there are many other things that come with the internet and the always-on lifestyle that I see as destructive, either to the individual who doesn't have the insight to recognize and control their tendencies, or to society as a whole).
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Old 11-17-2012, 06:54 AM   #16
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Advancement

Virtually every advance carries some negatives but it is the positives that make advances worthwhile. The fact that any person with access to the internet can now add to a better world thru access to knowledge can not be discounted.

Places where people until recently had little opportunity to gain knowledge, now have virtually the same access that affluent countries have offered for decades.

India is making millions of inexpensive touch pads for their children. The spread of access to knowledge is a transformation that has the power to truly improve the world.

Our children are now adults, but I watch my nieces and nephews who find the Internet to be vital in their studies. My 12 year old niece is taking French this year and goes onto You Tube to learn pronunciation skills. She seeks information for papers she writes (as well she has to write a lot more than I did at that age). True they do their tweeting and sloppy emails but they also do serious work.

How cool is it that we can be in some no where location and she can Skype me to help her with a particularly difficult math problem? Though we are on the road a lot, we are still instantly available to those who need our input.

It is all too easy to see negatives, it is the positives that we must embrace. The internet offers access to information and extends knowledge, more powerful I'm sure than the invention of the printing press.

I'm happy for the Internet, I do wish that my early education would have included it. I definitely would be more capable and informed.

The magic of the smartphone is that the Internet (and the information it carries) becomes even more accessible providing numerous tools that makes life more livable.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:07 AM   #17
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Yeah, that was a bit of late-night pondering. There's no doubt that the positives outweigh the negatives. I often wonder how we can counter the negatives, though.

I see technology causing harm in a couple of different fashions. It can be used as a crutch, to cover up a problem that we really should solve. It can be used as an escape, to allow us to avoid problems we should face. These things aren't unique to technology, of course. They're more aspects of human nature.

I'll try to take my meanderings back in the direction of the original post...

There are two ways to go minimal: you can use combine tools so that you get the same functionality with less stuff, or you can reduce the functionality you have available to you. (There's also, of course, getting rid of stuff that serves you no purpose. Let's take that as a given).

Tools like smart phones fit the first category. They combine many tools into one small package. Plus, some times when you combine tools that were once disparate, you get something entirely new.

I find the second category more philosophically interesting, though. At what point does it become advantageous to do without a tool, simply because bringing the tool along is too expensive? A lot of people reach that point with smart phones and other bits of modern technology, though they probably don't think about it that way. Most of us have functionality on our phones that we don't know how to use. We haven't considered it worth the time for us to learn. In effect that's a tool we've left behind, no different than leaving behind an ax because we seldom cook over a fire.

To make the point succinct: some times going minimal is about what we take the time to learn or prepare, rather than about what equipment we bring.
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Ginny is a 'pad and pen' in her pocket person. Now she uses the Noodle app for keeping lists and loves the fact that her Calendar is fully integrated between her computer and Galaxy. Since everything is tied together her life now has added efficiency.
I am still that way to some degree too. I keep a pen and pad in my pocket all the time while working, despite the numerous great memo apps available. Old habits die hard, but I am sloooooowly changing.
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Interestingly there is an app that can tell me where Ginny is, just like I strapped s GPS locator on her. It may be really helpful as we get older.
Fortunately for Ginny though, she can turn it off if she does wish to hide for a bit.
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I know what you mean... I was thinking of asking you if the S3 could serve as a mobile hotspot. But instead I googled it just now, and in seconds I was viewing a utube video that showed exactly how to configure the S3 to serve as a hotspot. So, um... never mind!
I have friends (a couple) that just dumped their home internet, and are going with using their phones as a hot spot. The are near the end of the first month, and have yet to come close to the limit of their data plans, which I think are 6 gigs each. I have used this function a fair bit, and it works great, though I find some things are a bit slower on it.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:35 AM   #19
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Going Light

You are correct, there are many aspects to traveling light.

Certainly a Scamp 16 that has about 90 square feet of space does define a limit in itself, particularly for our 315 day trip. My Oregon friend Byron does a 100 days in a 13 foot Scamp 13. In either case we are both living in comparatively small spaces compared to probably 95% of Canadians and Americans.

In a sense the size forces a minimal level of equipment. As to expense, our life style is inherently inexpensive, particularly compared to our pre-retirement life state. Previously we had three vehicles and drove about 70,000 miles a year, now we're down to one.

As to expensive items, by far the most expensive is fuel. Now we did meet someone towing a Scamp size wagon with two horses on route 101 in northern CA.... now if I were younger and had more time....

In that area we do use technology to reduce our costs. We have Gas Buddy on our phone and a added gauge that helps us maximize fuel consumption. Of the gas towers, we are among the most efficient. We do help the situation by towing a light and aerodynamically clean (very little on the roof) Scamp 16.

As to learning the phone, I am a person who leaps into all kinds of things and am working hard to understand my phone. It's only been a few days but it
is quite clear that my phone will take over most of my computer's function. I have downloaded the FRV app and this weekend plan to install our monthly budget on the phone. As well I am teaching Ginny the ins and outs. She already sees the advantage of the phone and is adapting quickly.

Preparing is a great part of making RVing easier. We are typically on the road for 7-11 months a year. When we return home we spend a good part of the summer considering what worked and didn't work in terms of items we brought and systems within the rig. Each year we try to get a little better at our travels, hence our rather too long thread on "Preparing a 1991 Scamp".

The first step in getting 'minimum' is getting a small fiberglass trailer. All the rest happens naturally once you begin using it.

There is an ease in traveling light, simply having less stuff. There's an additional ease in having a well organized trailer where things have known locations. There's so much to the lifestyle that adds a grace to life.
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Has anyone tries Allstays Camp and RV program? It's available as a phone app listing campgrounds, BLM, COE and. National Forests.

If you used it please comment.
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I have Allstays on my tablet and I like it. It seems easy to use, and in the places I've looked at for campgrounds, it appears to cover all of them. For example, I was camping this summer on the MN "North Shore", so I had looked over the CGs thoroughly at that time; it seemed like Allstays had them all listed, too.
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Just had to chime in here since I'm a techno-junky. I love, love, love my Droid Razr. Years ago, my husband drove a semi all over the country for weeks at a time. I can't imagine how hard it was for families to stay in contact before cell fons. And now that we're fulltiming in a 17' Casita, I'm having trouble remembering how we made it initially without my smart phone. I use it CONSTANTLY while we're traveling: GasBuddy for the cheapest gas near our location; weather app to see what to expect in the near future where we're heading; Maps for short cuts, exit numbers, & time/miles of a particular route, also to find Wal-Mart, pizza, post office; truck stop, or any other business where we are or will be; contacts (of course) to actually call friends/family (or order a pizza for pickup when we drive by); calendar for appointments/events I'll probably forget otherwise; alarm (if I HAVE to get up by a certain time); TV Listings (the app) to see what's on local "air" or cable TV; Satellite Director to find our DirecTV bird to aim the dish; read email/blogs wherever/whenever; access any free available wi-fi; TurboList (app) to 'dictate' items for unlimited lists (cause if it's not written somewere, I'll forget it otherwise); PageOnce (app) to access bank & other accounts quickly; DropBox to sync laptop & fon files;ZipCodeTools (app) to find our current zip code for various reasons; read current news if away from TV; oh, take an occasional photo if my camera isn't with me; Color Flashlight when it got dark walking back to the trailer; Air Horn if I need to scare someone or ask for help; read several kinds of ebooks; even watch missed TV programs (with free wi-fi). The list goes on for less frequent tasks. I now go days without opening up my laptop. I have a 12v fon charger in the truck to use when we're driving & a small inverter in the trailer if we don't have electricity.

OK. . .so maybe I'm a tad 'addicted', but my fon is never far away from me. Oh, I seldom text tho! As we live 'small', we look for multi-purpose, lightweight tools to keep us safe & happy - & a smart fon is a great tool to spend my limited funds on!
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Has anyone tries Allstays Camp and RV program? It's available as a phone app listing campgrounds, BLM, COE and. National Forests.

If you used it please comment.
Interesting looking app. I see Canada and the US are included. I would love to hear more from others who have it. I much prefer the Forestry and Provincial/State campgrounds in most areas, and wonder if all these are listed, as some are quite small. The reviews are mostly good, and it sounds like they do updates fairly regularly. If it works good, one could easily save the $10 cost of the app in just one night.
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I am actually on my 3 or 4th? smart phone - Blackberry and I-phones. Had to start carrying a portable phone 24/7 due to my work back in early 80's when they were not the type you put in your pocket & not very portable ;-) Have replaced and upgraded phones ever 2 years or so since that time.

Love the smart phone as it means that when on a short 2 week trip or so I often dont carry my laptop - really not needed. If on a trip of a month or more then I might bring the lap top but use it mostly to process the photos I have taken.

There are a number of great travel apps I use a lot: Gasbuddy, Level, Flash Light, Weather, Currency Exchange, Google Translator, FGRV, an app called Mela's Tools that gives me the conversion for lengths, weights and areas etc when I forget how to calculate the US way of doing things ;-) A few good Bird and plant apps for ID'ing them. One of my fav apps is called Star Walk - point the phone at the sky and it will tell you what stars you are looking at. Very Cool!

Regarding using a smart phone instead of a dedicated GPS all I can say is for me based on past experiences that may not be a great idea for a number of reasons:

1) I travel a lot in 2 counties (and more) & when outside my home country I need to buy a travel data plan but even with it I am still charged for data usage all be it at a reduced rate and a smart phone GPS sucks back data - you can eat up more than a dedicated GPS is worth in just a few days of use even with the lower rate travel plan. With a dedicated portable GPS you can take it to just about an developed county in the world and use it with no data plan needed. Just need to down load the map of the country you are going into the GPS before you go.

2) If you are traveling on your own having to look at your phone to push buttons is not a good thing. Even if not on your own if you have a co pilot who is directionally challenged even with map or phone in their lap the GPS goes a long why to help keeping friendships in good standing. ;-)

2) I have found the GPS on both my Blackberry and Iphones to be more than a little wanting on many occasions. Sometimes very slow to refresh and you may find you have passed where you are going before it even shows up on the screen. The situation is the worst in areas with limited cellular coverage - in many areas you may as well throw the phone away if you were hoping to use it for GPS. The most current Iphone GPS is the worst yet - very wanting - it gets lost in downtown Vancouver. If I only had a phone GPS I would stick to the Google based app as of the two its the better but still not a great option IMHO for driving.

3) Hands free - a lot of places have laws prohibiting the use of phones while driving. You cant have the phone even in your hand. My GPS is blue tooth so it connects with my smart phone while its still in my pocket, without me having to do anything every time I get in the car. It instantly downloads my current contacts etc from the phone into the GPS - so if I want to call someone I just have to say call so and so and it does it. Or if the phone rings the GPS tells me on screen who is calling and I can answer the call using my voice only. Same with text messages they just appear on the screen. Dont need to even touch the GPS.

4) Most of the better blue tooth GPS's can be the best co-pilot you can have in so far as telling you what exit to take to the nearest gas station or grocery store by brand or even the closest state park for camping. All without having to take your hands off the wheel to push a button.

Love my smart phone but if I had to choose between taking a dedicated GPS vs a smart phone on a trip I would take the GPS every time. One can always stop at a library to check their email.

As far as I am concerned the dedicated blue tooth GPS was the best $125 I ever spent for travel.
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"As far as I am concerned the dedicated blue tooth GPS was the best $125 I ever spent for travel."
A nice set of maps can be had for $8.00 and they will never lead you astray.
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What about service plans? I've had T-mobile for years and the last couple of trips I've had less than stellar service in areas where it used to be good. My significant other has Sprint and it is ok while in the city, is very affordable, but get on the back roads out west where we live and the service is lacking. I used to have Verizon several years ago and had great service everywhere but at that time it was the most expensive. What do you guys have and do you like it?
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"As far as I am concerned the dedicated blue tooth GPS was the best $125 I ever spent for travel."
A nice set of maps can be had for $8.00 and they will never lead you astray.
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Yes I have one and they are good for when your sitting at a table or campfire for planning but not great to be reading while driving
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Ginny is a map person but today we used the phones very good gps to get to our son's cottage in Maine. It worked very well. A friend said the google GPS was better than his standalone GPS. Really the phone one is are only one ever and worked well.

We'll hang on to our maps but Ginny really liked the new GPS.

We've only had Verizon. Most long range RVers seem to favor Verizon because it seems to work virtually every where we travel.
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