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Old 08-06-2015, 04:48 PM   #43
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If you come to a site populated by FGRV owners, don't be surprised that you get a generally positive comparison of FGRV relative to stick built.

This can often be read as beating up on stick-built. There is some of that, but I still generally think better of (and generally find nicer) people in stick built trailers at campgrounds than people who never leave home or who only consume packaged recreation.

Can you fulltime in a sticky? Sure. Lots of people have. They generally need more work than an FGRV does per year or mile traveled. They generally do have more issues with water ingress (because of roof seams) and resultant rot (because wood wants to turn back into the forest floor whence it came).

The interior fitments are pretty similar. If you hope to get a better quality appliance, you might find it in a heavy truck or a boat, but probably won't in most FGRVs.

I did have an interesting conversation relating to this when camping earlier this week with an overnighting couple in their shiny new class C on a Mercedes Sprinter chassis. They'd previously had a bigger class A on a Freightliner chassis built by a particular Large American RV Conglomerate named after a Norse god. They half-timed in it for six years, and during that time the interior came apart. It was still watertight, and it still ran fine, but the particle board cabinet work just disintegrated.

And no, they did not seem like people who are hard on equipment. It's a heck of an investment to have come apart on you over less than a decade. Their next purchase (the Sprinter) was selected on interior fitment quality right after selection of running gear and drive line.

Can you get a quality stick-built RV? Yes. But it does happen to be an economical way of building an RV and that often means that there have been other economies taken. Shop carefully.

I think one reason that Airstream (also owned by above conglomerate) has a good reputation many decades long is because they've never been cheap, and nobody ever expected them to be cheap. That they're not stick built does mean that a little leak doesn't mean ants, termites, and rot in a year of neglect like it does with a stickie.

On average, Billy-Bob stickie buyer is shopping for size and amenities that will make his homebody wife consent to go full hook-up camping with him for two summer weeks a year.

The list of things he's not shopping for is very long, and includes a lot of things that a full-timer will be looking for. Stickie builders know this, and design their trailers to maximize apparent size and amenities at a particular price point, rather than to be good fulltiming platforms.
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Old 08-06-2015, 05:12 PM   #44
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On average, Billy-Bob stickie buyer is shopping for size and amenities that will make his homebody wife consent to go full hook-up camping with him for two summer weeks a year.
And I bet he is just as happy as I am, maybe happier! Raz
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Old 08-06-2015, 06:02 PM   #45
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Quote from post #43 "On average, Billy-Bob stickie buyer is shopping for size and amenities that will make his homebody wife consent to go full hook-up camping with him for two summer weeks a year."


I not only think that comment to be inaccurate, it is offensive and sexist. The Billy-Bobs of the world may still live on Walton's Mountain, Virginia, but they, hopefully, don't behave and think that way when they come off of that mountain..


Again, my neighbor, with a huge sticky toybox, goes to the desert, the beaches and the mountains at least monthly with his wife and three children and I can guarantee you that no one, Billy Bob included, is every going to get his wife, a supervisor for one of America's most highly respected airlines, to "Consent" to do anything she also doesn't want to do. Those days were over about the same time the 1957 Chevy came out.


BTW: Both our my children were born in Falls Church, VA, and Billy-Bob didn't live there anymore either.
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:01 PM   #46
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"Consuming packaged recreation"... does that come in cans and bottles, perchance? Looks like you hit a nerve or two, but none of mine, lol. Pretty humorous post!
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We can all find one or two people who don't fit the mold that RB discussed, but I think he's more right that wrong. Even in the all-molded-towable community we have folks who absolutely-positively must have a full bathroom or the wife/spouse/partner/SO won't go camping. And that's a minor immenity in my book.
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:09 PM   #48
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The concept may have some value, but the presentation is way off base.
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Old 08-07-2015, 08:42 AM   #49
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Im with Donna, thanks for taking the time to help out the OP RB/stelleypip. Great presentation
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Old 08-07-2015, 03:10 PM   #50
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I looked at the phrasing I'd typed-and retyped before pressing the post button and thought, 'gee, I wonder who's going to project what onto that?' Guess I answered that question...

The statement was the result of a statistical observation of my recent four-day outing to Watoga SP, WV. We were at the Riverside campground - more than 50 spaces, about 80% occupied. One in five license plates was not from WV, which is a small state, geographically speaking. It is therefore a logical assumption that most of these people don't go very far to camp.

Most heads of family/rig owners were of working age, and were there for four or more days. Several were in family reunion groups of 2-3 campsites (two vehicle/one RV limit per site). It was a logical inference that they were there for one of two 'big' vacations that most wage earners get out of the common 10 days of PTO plus holidays. The condition of the rigs suggested this as well - none looked like it had been many thousands of miles over the roads of America.

We were tied with a VW Eurovan conversion for smallest RV there (by interior volume). There were a few (five or so) tow-behind stickies in the 20-24 foot range.

Everything else was 25+ feet and most were fifth wheel. The average tow vehicle was a 1 or 1.5 ton pickup truck (fifth wheel or not). About 50% were diesel. The oldest fifth wheel tow rig I saw was about a 1995 model (a well-used, well cared-for manual transmission Dodge/Cummins that obviously had a day job). The newest was this year's. None of the fullsize pickups was observed towing with a woman driving at any point, although the distribution of population was apparently close to 50/50 by sex.

So what was the average rig? A low mileage 24-28 foot stickie fifth wheel towed by an F350 PowerStroke. Who was the average driver? A male of working age with a family.

It is possible that the women of these many families made their menfolk buy $32K+ pickup trucks and fifth wheel trailers to drive the family to one or two weeks of camping a year, or bought them themselves and told the men to drive them. Occam's razor cuts against it, though.

And for those of you with apparent hot buttons around words, I'll note that 'homebody' means 'someone who prefers to stay at home, rather than be out and about.' It does not relate to employment status or number of X chromosomes. I'm more of a homebody than my (highly educated, gainfully employed) wife is. She pushed getting the FGRV, because I had gotten tired of humping tents and equipment up and down hills for years.
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As Robert Frost said, "We love the things we do for what they are."

Wonderful discussion! Thank you to everyone...I am learning much & so is my wonderful spouse! We are greatful for all this sharing as we discern all thing trailer.

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I full time in a stick built. I've got a 50' X 160' site, with private washroom, 'free' shower, hot and cold running water, septic, cable TV and WiFi internet, queen bed and a garden with raised beds.
There's a 17' egg in the driveway for guests.
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