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Old 05-19-2015, 05:37 PM   #71
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Yes I have been mulling over upgrading the suspension. Just aggravating when you spend $24k on a vehicle I shouldn't have too
And, you wouldn't have to if you bought the model that is equipped with stiffer suspension ( Sport V6 ).
Those buying Limited are likely looking for leather and a Caddy ride.
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That's great news Bob. In the common interest of helping out Melissa with her towing issues could you post a short list of the more highly rated ones. Thnxs for your valued contribution.
Well, for one there's is Riverside Hitch & Trailer on Indiana Ave in Riverside, CA, and Ballews Hitch Truck and RV Services on "M" Street in Tacoma, WA, both of which have fabricated custom hitches for me in the past with excellent results.
BTW: Both also show 5 star ratings, but I am sure that means nothing other than that they have happy customers.

But in as much as the O.P. is some 3000+ miles east of them, they just are not very convenient. I am sure, with a modicum of searching and asking here for recommendations, that she will be able to find a professional hitch fabricator/installer in her area.

I'm sure that it is a lot more difficult setting up to tow over specification, but we aren't talking about that here, and U.S. shops usually won't touch it anyway.

But, as complicated as that must be, maybe some of the out of work Rocket Scientists near Cape Canaveral will move into that field. LOL
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One common problem not mentioned is a broken sway bar end or even the loss of a wheel weight.
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Yes I have been mulling over upgrading the suspension. Just aggravating when you spend $24k on a vehicle I shouldn't have too
Your vehicle is a top rated, reliable vehicle. The cost of trading vehicles on average is $5,000. and that does not include the cost of the upgrade to whatever vehicle you choose. Heavy duty shocks would be a small fraction of the cost and you are good to go.
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And, you wouldn't have to if you bought the model that is equipped with stiffer suspension ( Sport V6 ).
Those buying Limited are likely looking for leather and a Caddy ride.
Doesn't the Caddy have to ride in a golf cart ...or does he drive?
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I put 100,000 miles on an 07 Limited V6 RAV. Good driving, very reliable vehicle.

I think the "soft suspension makes it unstable at highway speed" notion is ridiculous. If that were true all identical models would have the problem. 50,000 miles isn't that much either.

My two cents: have you gotten the carfax report? Maybe there was an accident that damaged the front suspension? Maybe there is something amiss with the differential causing engine torque to be improperly applied? You really need a good mechanic and a Toyota dealer that acknowledges there is a problem. Has a dealer mechanic driven the car at speed with you there to point out the problem?

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And, you wouldn't have to if you bought the model that is equipped with stiffer suspension ( Sport V6 ).
Those buying Limited are likely looking for leather and a Caddy ride.
Those big old Caddy's from the past were soft and cushy rides but the newer ones are anything but. I have driven a couple and they now have a very Euro, tight ride which surprised me. There are a couple vids and photo's out there showing the late model Caddy's "showing their stuff" towing a trailer. very impressive.
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... the softer suspension found only on the limited ...
So in this context, Limited refers to the towing abilities?
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I put 100,000 miles on an 07 Limited V6 RAV. Good driving, very reliable vehicle.

I think the "soft suspension makes it unstable at highway speed" notion is ridiculous. If that were true all identical models would have the problem. 50,000 miles isn't that much either.

My two cents: have you gotten the carfax report? Maybe there was an accident that damaged the front suspension? Maybe there is something amiss with the differential causing engine torque to be improperly applied? You really need a good mechanic and a Toyota dealer that acknowledges there is a problem. Has a dealer mechanic driven the car at speed with you there to point out the problem?

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The problem with Carfax is you can not count on them to actually have all the repairs the vehicle may have had done on it. Even big ones. If someone does not put the cost of repairs through their insurance company and instead pays their good buddy down at the auto repair shop to do the work & that good buddy does not actually report the repairs it will not show up on a Carfax. Sad but true. A lesson a member of my family learned the hard way.

In regards to the RAV4 is it just me but have we not had several members report here previously that they have had to add air bags to the rear of their RAV4's due to the soft rear end & the amount it drops when trailer connected?
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CarFax... Don't shoot the messenger.....


CarFax report information will vary based on the states in which the vehicle is/was located. At the very least, "some" accident reports are listed from "some" states and it's hit and miss, but if you don't look, you will never know.


I always get a carfax on anything I am even slightly interested in buying because the History can be somewhat telling, even without accident reports.


Some clues: too many owners in a short period of time, sudden movements across states between owners, extended periods with low mileages recorded, multiple registrations for a "One Owner" vehicle and, of course, suspicious odometer issues/errors.


When I bought my 10 y.o. uber-lo miles Blazer I asked for a CarFax before making an offer, and it proved everything to be on the up and up.


Gotta say, it's not always that way....
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Only one adding airbags ( as I recall ) is Derek, and then he got a WDH, and then a truck.
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09 RAV4 unstable

I have a suggestion.
It sounds very much like insufficient toe-in to me. Toe out happens because rolling resistance on the front wheels acts rearward and causes the front wheels to splay outward (very slightly..a degree or two). Toe out causes instability just as you describe. As all cars toe out, the cure is to adjust the front wheels so they toe in slightly, enough to cancel the toe out. Car manufacturers measure the tendency of their cars to toe out and recommend a reasonable value of toe in to compensate and that is the figure the alignment shop will set. Unfortunately, as cars age and the control arm bushings develop more slop, the amount of toe out increases and the recommended value of toe in becomes insufficient. To measure toe out dynamically is a difficult measurement and requires a rolling road, so the suspension shop not having that equipment, just adjusts according to the manufacturers specs. Adjusting toe in is very easy, can be done in your drive way in 20 min if your handy, or could be easily done by a local mechanic. Too much toe in will increase tire wear, but that takes many many miles. I would start by adjusting your toe in to a value perhaps twice what the manufacturer suggests and see if the instability goes away. If it does, that is for sure the issue, but I would then back off the double toe in until the problem comes back. At that time you will know what value it should be set to.
If that works for you then I would invest in new control arm bushings and then go back to the manufacturers setting.


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Only one adding airbags ( as I recall ) is Derek, and then he got a WDH, and then a truck.
Humm I though maybe Jon did as well.... could be wrong ... might have to search back on Derek's original thread on the topic to see who it was.
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Recall Number: 13V383000Recall Date: 08/28/2013
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Problem Summary: TOYOTA IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2006 THROUGH 2011 RAV4 AND 2010 LEXUS HS250H PASSENGER VEHICLES MANUFACTURED FROM OCTOBER 2005 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 2010. IF THE NUTS FOR ADJUSTING THE REAR WHEEL ALIGNMENT ARE IMPROPERLY TIGHTENED DURING SERVICE, THE REAR SUSPENSION ARM (REAR TIRE ROD) MAY DEVELOP UNWANTED MOVEMENT AND RUST LEADING TO THREAD DAMAGE AND EVENTUAL FAILURE. FAILURE OF THE REAR TIRE ROD WILL CAUSE AN ABRUPT CHANGE IN THE VEHICLE'S ALIGNMENT.

Consequence: FAILURE OF THE REAR TIE ROD COULD CAUSE A LOSS OF VEHICLE CONTROL, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.

What Owners Should Do: TOYOTA WILL NOTIFY OWNERS, AND DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE TIE RODS AND REPLACE ANY THAT HAVE RUST OR CORROSION ON THE ALIGNMENT ADJUSTMENT THREADS. ALL OF THE REAR TIE RODS WILL THEN BE ENCASED IN AN EPOXY TO PREVENT FUTURE ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE. DUE TO LIMITATIONS IN PARTS, THE RECALL REMEDY WILL BE LAUNCHED IN PHASES FROM SEPTEMBER 2013 THROUGH FEBRUARY 2014. ALL OWNERS WILL RECEIVE NOTIFICATION OF THE RECALL, WITH MOST RECEIVING SECOND NOTIFICATIONS WHEN PARTS ARE AVAILABLE IN THEIR AREA. IMPORTANT: THIS RECALL SUPERSEDES TOYOTA AND LEXUS RECALL 12V-373. ALL VEHICLES THAT HAVE BEEN INSPECTED AND REMEDIED UNDER THE PREVIOUS RECALL NEED TO BE RE-INSPECTED AND HAVE THE APPROPRIATE REMEDY APPLIED.

Also check on the toe-in specs as above. Insufficient toe in can easily cause "darting".
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