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Old 02-07-2013, 02:00 PM   #15
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Bearing in mind in mind that "controlling sway" is not the same thing as eliminating it:

In my opinion, sway bars can have a negative affect in that by "controlling" existing sway forces the driver may be unaware of the in most cases correctable condition that's actually causing it.

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I should add that in my opinion, brakes on the trailer are a far more important sway-control device as actuating them is a reliable method of bringing a trailer out of a sway should one occur.

Those trailers lacking brakes should probably be equipped with sway control bars for that reason.

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It's my understanding that sway bars cannot be used on trailers with surge-type brakes.(e.g. Lil Snoozy)
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Old 02-07-2013, 05:16 PM   #16
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Anti-sway bar

Here's the first one I came to on Amazon by Reese, $30.

Reese Towpower 83660 Value Friction Sway Control : Amazon.com : Automotive
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:14 PM   #17
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Here's the first one I came to on Amazon by Reese, $30.

Reese Towpower 83660 Value Friction Sway Control : Amazon.com : Automotive
Judging by the comments, this appears an economy brand clone. Etrailer lists this product as "Pro Series Friction Control." As long as you don't care about branding, it is probably good value. It is entertaining that the adapter plate (should you need one) is going to cost you the same as the sway control device itself.

Here is another one thats only $22.

FRICTION RV POP UP CAMPER TRAILER HITCH HEAVY DUTY ANTI SWAY CONTROL NEW | eBay
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:57 PM   #18
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Put brakes on the trailer, stay under 55 mph, and save your money, folks. In more ways than one, too! Not only can you forego "sway control" add-ons, speed is the most important factor in fuel economy.

And who wants to donate more to the "Big Oil Charitable Trust" than absolutely necessary?

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Old 02-07-2013, 10:10 PM   #19
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Now my ParkLiner's original owner Harry had a swaybar for towin with his 4cyl toyota pickup, I drove it home 300 some miles and didn't seem to have any problems and took it over the delaware memorial bridge which is a little scary cause its pretty tall and usually pretty breezy... I wonder if him haveing a small pickup without a cap and I have a heavier suv has anything to do with it? I guess if I really felt it moveing around back there it might be a good thing, but I dont like that you have to get out and disconnect it if you need to back up... Ive missed driveways and just backed up to turn in and that would mean makeing a detour to get bac to where I was going.

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Old 02-07-2013, 10:37 PM   #20
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[QUOTE=deryk;361419]I dont like that you have to get out and disconnect it if you need to back up... Ive missed driveways and just backed up to turn in and that would mean makeing a detour to get bac to where I was going QUOTE]

Huh? Seriously? you can't back up with a sway bar???
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Ive read more then once to disconect an anti swaybar if backing up


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Old 02-08-2013, 06:02 AM   #22
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Huh? Seriously? you can't back up with a sway bar???
Yeah seriously. No problems backing straight, it's when backing into a site... the bar might bind then bend. I think this falls into the "better safe than sorry" category.
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I would have to carry a spare then lol since I often overshoot driveways if Im not 100%paying attention and they are poorly marked... well my suggestion is take your trailer out and put some miles on it and see how it feels. I did 3900 miles last year on my little red homebuilt gypsy caravan and didn't need it...so who knows?


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Old 02-08-2013, 09:00 AM   #25
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In looking at my Sienna's documents, they state the following:
"If towing a trailer and cargo weighing over 907 kg (2000 lbs), it is necessary to use a sway control device with sufficient capacity."
Yes, I noticed that too. In 2004 or 2005 I called Toyota Canada customer service for clarification of what they might mean by "sway control device", and their response was that it didn't matter because they had since withdrawn that direction.

I also note that the same manual includes three directives which are generally common to Toyota manuals and are either unreasonable or unrelated to the specific vehicle (as my notes indicate)
  • do not exceed 72 km/h (45 mph) while towing [seriously?]
  • do not attach a hitch to the axle [this refers to a live axle which most models don't have]
  • remove the hitch when not towing, sealing any resulting holes in the body [this was written for fixed ball mount hitches used before the receiver type became common; removing the receiver from a Sienna doesn't leave any holes anyway, because the hitch mounts to a structural box where Toyota provided nuts welded into the structure for this purpose]

I don't use a friction-type sway control device - or any of the other things that might be called "sway bars" - to tow our 17' 3000 lb (when loaded) Boler; it does not sway at any speed I have reached (which includes well in excess of any Canadian speed limit), or any road (which includes the major highways of the Alberta and B.C. mountains).

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Old 02-08-2013, 09:12 AM   #26
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I don't use sway bars and it's worth noting that they're virtually unknown in Europe..
This is strictly true; however, European towing equipment companies do offer friction-type sway control devices, which appear to be commonly used, especially by those towing at higher speed. Instead of a crudely-constructed sliding bar, these devices incorporate friction pads into the coupler; an example is described in a web page by Witter; they are not usable with the stud-mounted balls typically used in North America.

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Sway is a mostly predictable function of loading, tires, and speed.
If "loading" means the distribution of the mass of the trailer and contents, (not just the fraction carried by the hitch), and you add trailer geometry (such as coupler-to-axle distance) then I agree.
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:02 AM   #27
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we're rookies with a new 13' Scamp..do we need to worry about sway bars?
I read through the postings and did not see what is the towing vehicle and capacity.

I have a 13 foot Scamp and tow it with a 4x4 Toyota truck, manual 5 speed. I keep my speed to around 60 mph. I can hardly feel it behind me. I pull my 2000 lb boat with no problem either, though my engine is underpowered on large inclines. It could not hurt to have the sway bar but with a pickup truck and a small trailer it seems like a bit of over-kill.

Brakes are another story. I think the brakes are more important in an emergency. Even though my truck has oversized brakes there is nothing like stopping in a hurry when you come over a hill and the traffic is backed up and stopped. It happened to me once and it is the closest I have ever come to rear-ending someone. My tires were squeeling and I stopped less than a foot from a mini-van. That extra weight made a big difference in stopping distance.

If you are pulling the trailer with a small car - get the sway bar and brakes (if not equipped), IMO. Make sure you have adequate tongue weight too.

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Hey Ric.... what are you using for a TV?

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