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Old 02-08-2013, 01:40 PM   #29
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Yeah seriously. No problems backing straight, it's when backing into a site... the bar might bind then bend. I think this falls into the "better safe than sorry" category.
Well darn! I can't imagine when I get to a camp site to take the swaybar off. And as for backing straight. That never happens. I always back: oops, a little to far to the left, oops a little too far to the right, oops...
I'll do what Deryk suggests and give it some mileage and then see what I need. I'm a belt and suspenders kind of girl. I like to have all the protection I can get. However, I'm towing my '77 13' with a 2001 tundra. I don't have an issue with the weight. I just have to be sure I balance the weight in the trailer, as otherss have recommended. I'll look into getting brakes put on the Scamp.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:47 PM   #30
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We use an anti-sway bar though we've towed 1,000s of miles without one. We consider it as an aid in emergencies.

On occasion when backing we have loosened the anti-sway bar's pressure pad but never remove it when backing. The anti sway bar should not be so tight that it doesn't slide on corners.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:58 PM   #31
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Correct me if I'm wrong, Norm, but aren't you running a below average tongue-to-total weight ratio?

If so, use of a mechanical sway bar is probably necessary and certainly prudent.

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Old 02-08-2013, 02:31 PM   #32
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Our tongue weight with the Scamp is 200 lbs and with the Casita 230 lbs. (Scamp axle weight 2200 lbs; Casita axle weight 2570 lbs)

These were both fully loaded trailers with AC, water and one full propane tank for 7-11 months of travel. We find the tongue weight typically decreases by 10 lbs as we travel. Our tongue weight is about 9% of the trailer's axle weight

In both rigs we towed about 1500 to 3000 miles without anti-sway bars and never saw any sway.

We added an anti-sway bar at the suggestion of a couple of more experienced rvers. They said you'll be glad you have it in an emergency. They were right, proven by two emergency stops.

Heck an anti-sway bar is not much more expensive than a tank of gas and takes about a minute to connect and 30 minutes to first time install.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:09 PM   #33
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Yes, I noticed that too. In 2004 or 2005 I called Toyota Canada customer service for clarification of what they might mean by "sway control device", and their response was that it didn't matter because they had since withdrawn that direction.
The configuration of your rig is your responsibility.
Thank you for the information. Too bad they can't send something out to notify owners when something like that happens.
I fully agree with your last statement. It is hard though, sometimes, to find good accurate information.
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Francesca,

I should have read your post more closely, if it's tongue weight to total trailer weight we're more like 8% tongue weight.

Though I know this is a USA rule of thumb (10-15% tongue weight), it's obviously not the case through out the world. Practically all vehicles sold in Europe have tongue to trailer weights below 10%.

I've often wondered about the science behind 10-15%, not that it's a bad number but why is it the proper range.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:02 PM   #35
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Well darn! I can't imagine when I get to a camp site to take the swaybar off. And as for backing straight. That never happens. I always back: oops, a little to far to the left, oops a little too far to the right, oops...
I'll do what Deryk suggests and give it some mileage and then see what I need. I'm a belt and suspenders kind of girl. I like to have all the protection I can get. However, I'm towing my '77 13' with a 2001 tundra. I don't have an issue with the weight. I just have to be sure I balance the weight in the trailer, as otherss have recommended. I'll look into getting brakes put on the Scamp.
With a tundra and a 13', I doubt you will see a need for one if its loaded right.

Brakes, definitely a good idea.

As for to tongue weight, it's all preference. I prefer to stay around 15%, I think they tow nicer there.

Honestly, with the vastly different vehicle setups/driving styles on here, it makes it harder to say anything for towing recommendations, than it would otherwise.
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Norm is right - you don't normally need to disconnect an anti-sway bar when backing up, but you do need to loosen it. Putting the anti-sway bar on and taking it off is really simple too.
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And it's ALL about what angle you're backing into. Some sites in some campgrounds are literally 90 degrees. I'd disconnect the sway bar rather than risk damage. I'm cheap and hate to replace stuff due to my own fault. If it required power tools to disconnect the sway bar, that might be different. It only requires 30 seconds and two hands. What's your time worth? I believe in doing this as a habit rather than wonder if....

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Curt anti-sway bar on Amazon with all pieces needed for installation under $50
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Hey Ric.... what are you using for a TV?

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:>) we don't rush the important decisions.....


So- is this whole convo theoretical, or what???

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maybe not the whole convo as they do have the trailer at least. :-)
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I dont like that you have to get out and disconnect it if you need to back up... Ive missed driveways and just backed up to turn in and that would mean makeing a detour to get bac to where I was going QUOTE]

Huh? Seriously? you can't back up with a sway bar???

I have the Reese anti-sway bar which was about $50 when I purchased it. Someone said $200??????sure that wasn't a weight distribution setup not a simply anti-sway bar.

Yes, you can back up with it connected. But not with dramatic turns. I've missed a turn and backed into a driveway as you say, without disconnecting.

I always get out and check out the site before I back in. That way I put the trailer exactly where I want it with the first backin. At the same time I disconnect the bar which is a simple pull of a pin. No big deal.
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