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Old 02-10-2012, 01:02 PM   #15
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I don't like having to ask what is probably ignorant questions asked a thousand times but... there are brakes on the trailer, my dad towed a pop up camper with the suburu outback 3.0 2004 so there is a trailer hitch, there is wiring in the back of the suburu. Could I get lucky and have the hitch and trailer fit, hook up the lights and go, to the closest suburu dealer? I will go read the past posts on this subject.
Becky I tow with a Subaru and most dealers do not do the hitch install as Subaru does not make hitches so the dealers don't normally carry them in stock as so few of their cars sold actually get to tow. Most dealers will suggest you take it to a Uhaul or other hitch installer in your area. Yes the Subaru is pre wired for lights etc and the hitch installer will have the last bit needed (wire harness) for the hitch. Subaru is not prewired for the brakes - suspect it is a cost saving measure for them as the majority of Subaru's sold will never tow anything. Again any company that does hitch installs will be able to run that wire needed for brakes for you as well. The hitch installer will ask you the weight of the trailer you will be towing with (to make sure the hitch is of the right class) and the size of the hitch ball it needs - most common balls on our type of trailers is 1 7/8" or 2" - you may want to wait until you find the trailer of your dreams to see what it takes before making the ball purchase. Note you will also need to purchase a brake controller for the car once you have the wiring for the brakes in place.

BTW current Subaru's do require brakes on any trailer over 1000lbs . But check your manual as the rates changed over the years - my last one had a different weight rating than my current one.
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I think the OP has left in favor of a conversion van.
Ahem.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:31 PM   #17
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Subaru does not support 7-pin wiring needed for brakes.

When I was looking at which trailer to buy, I called my Subaru dealer to have them install a 7-pin towing harness. They told me that they don't have one and if I put in an after market one it would void my warrantee. So I was restricted to a trailer under 1400 lbs.

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Old 02-10-2012, 04:29 PM   #18
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Subaru does not support 7-pin wiring needed for brakes.

When I was looking at which trailer to buy, I called my Subaru dealer to have them install a 7-pin towing harness. They told me that they don't have one and if I put in an after market one it would void my warrantee. So I was restricted to a trailer under 1400 lbs.

I bought a U-Haul CT13 and I love Mouse very much!


That is ironic. Towing a trailer of the same weight, but with no brakes is harder on the tow vehicle than towing with brakes.
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Subaru does not support 7-pin wiring needed for brakes.

When I was looking at which trailer to buy, I called my Subaru dealer to have them install a 7-pin towing harness. They told me that they don't have one and if I put in an after market one it would void my warrantee. So I was restricted to a trailer under 1400 lbs.

I bought a U-Haul CT13 and I love Mouse very much!
Well you should probably have your trailer wiring done at an RV shop, not the Subaru dealer. As far as voiding the warranty, well I don't think anybody really wants to stand behind their warranty anyway.
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Well you should probably have your trailer wiring done at an RV shop, not the Subaru dealer. As far as voiding the warranty, well I don't think anybody really wants to stand behind their warranty anyway.

I don't think they could void your warranty unless they had evidence of abuse. Using a brake controller is not abuse, just the opposite.
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Subaru does not support 7-pin wiring needed for brakes.

When I was looking at which trailer to buy, I called my Subaru dealer to have them install a 7-pin towing harness. They told me that they don't have one and if I put in an after market one it would void my warrantee. So I was restricted to a trailer under 1400 lbs.

I bought a U-Haul CT13 and I love Mouse very much!
Your kidding me! You should give Subaru of America or Canada a call to confirm that - suspect you will then be holding a little educational discussion with whom ever told you that after your finished talking with their bosses.

The Subaru manual clearly states the trailer must have brakes on it if you tow over x so many pounds and has a whole section of towing - it would not state that if the warranty was void for using brakes and adding the wire and 7 pin harness needed to do it! simple as that. In fact its far more believable that your warranty would be void if they found out you were towing without the brakes on the trailer and not using a 7 pin harness that makes them work.

Subaru as mentioned before does not make wiring harness or hitches so the dealers do not install them and the ones that actually know what they are talking about will tell you to take the car to a hitch place to have the harness and hitch installed - they are not the only car manufactures that does that.

Very grateful that the service manager at our local Subaru actually tows with his and knows what Subaru's warranty policies regarding towing actually are.
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I have a Subaru Outback 2011 bought in March 2011. It came with an installed 11/4 hitch with a 4-pin harness.

It is rated the tow up to 2700 lbs. 1400 lbs without brakes.

It is a conundrum. Maybe they will have a 7-pin harness available soon.

In the meantime Mouse should be under 1400 lbs. I hope to find a place to weigh her soon.
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Since the original poster has left in favor of a van conversion, any further advice we are providing is to a non-existent person. Can we close this thread?
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That is ironic. Towing a trailer of the same weight, but with no brakes is harder on the tow vehicle than towing with brakes.
Amen.

I've mentioned this several times. Towing a brake-less trailer makes a maintenence issuse for the tug. The brakes for my Scamp are literally hundreds of dollars cheaper than my tug brakes!
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:39 PM   #25
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having just towed my new 13,,,with no brakes from backus to s.e. michigan, through the iron mountains,,,which aren't much, with a jeep liberty.
i didn't feel the need for trailer brakes. BUT! anything smaller then the liberty i would want them.
and i might even upgrade to a high performance brake on the liberty just as a cushon. but she even came down quick in a ,,,well not panic stop,,,, but a "why did that idiot pull out in front of me?" stop i do leave extra space and watch way ahead ,after years of driving truck.
so i guess,,,, you can get by with out,,,but you won;t go wrong with.
most of our towing will be flat land.
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You don,t need brakes on a trailer until you need them.
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When you're on snow / ice and you panic stop B sure to look left and right and wave at your brakeless trailer as it is passing you.
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Subaru does not support 7-pin wiring needed for brakes.

When I was looking at which trailer to buy, I called my Subaru dealer to have them install a 7-pin towing harness. They told me that they don't have one and if I put in an after market one it would void my warrantee. So I was restricted to a trailer under 1400 lbs.

I bought a U-Haul CT13 and I love Mouse very much!
If you are in the U.S. they are not allowed to void your warranty because of properly installed aftermarket parts or accessories.
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