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Old 01-24-2014, 10:09 AM   #15
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Bob Miller has a good idea, small pop-up may be the best idea. We bought one cheap a few years ago for our daughter, then put on new canvas for $900. Don't know where in CT you are Vicki, we are eastern NY close to Pittsfield MA. You could come hook on to our Uhaul to test your clearance issue. We would have to find out what tongue measurement is on a Scamp compared to a Uhaul. Or we will be at Rocky Neck in CT the last week in June. I have a tongue mount bike rack on our teardrop and have to limit my turning radius, but not enough to be a problem on any turn I've made. Best way to know is to try.
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:24 PM   #16
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Another weight factor to consider is the weight capacity of the roof of your vehicle. Should be in your owners manual or if not the dealer can tell you.

For example 2 kayaks on the the roof of my Outback put it at its roof limit. 2 doubles put it well over.

Re the Real World Weights not being your style of camping. Just a note on that - it might surprise you as to how little was in many of those campers. I also come from a back packing background so most of whats in my trailer is light weight and was used for backpacking and there is no water in any of my tanks, no ac, no microwave etc at weigh in & am careful about what I pack. Yet time and time again I see people with the same trailer claim it weighs hundreds of pounds less than mine, which makes me believe they have never actually weighed their trailer. Always best to weigh your own trailer loaded up - you may be as surprised as most of us are to find out what our trailers actually weigh loaded.
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:58 PM   #17
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Yep, and the bad news is that you discover the weight problem after you bought the trailer and then question if you can tow it safely or not.
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This what we used until Norma developed a bulged disk and couldn't get into either of them. Her injury prompted us to buy our first FGRV and retire the kayaks.
It was a great rig - queen size bed, but wouldn't help with the get out of the weather requirement.
The double on top is in "Get on the ferry without being over length or height mode". It would normally be extending over the front of the car a bit. (I dumped those goofy Hullivators after this trip).
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:27 PM   #19
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tractors, I like your thinking. I may just do that. I just spent some time out there with a measuring tape, and I think I may be ok on the kayak length.

Given the above, I will not use a hitch extender with a trailer with my Element. That is what I suspected.

As to pop-up tent campers, that would seem to make sense according to the information I gave. What I didn't say was that another goal in doing this was to have hard walls between me and the elements. I am planning on someday taking cross-country trips and spending significant time in bear country - - Glacier NP, etc. That's one of the reasons I won't be using the trailer for cooking and food storage - - I want my sleeping quarters separate from my eating quarters in bear country.

I have some thinking to do, I guess, on whether to upgrade my TV now, or just keep things super light for my first year or so. I was kinda hoping to wait until 2015 and see how the new efficient diesel SUVs are doing.
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:43 PM   #20
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oops, missed the posts after Bob Miller's, somehow the page didn't update for me right away.

Bob (of Mary & Bob), thanks so much for the offer! If things progress I may take you up on it. Probably easier to head over to UHaul, as I have to have them install my 7 point harness and electric brake stuff if I decide to do this.

Carol, yes, we do keep the roof weight in mind as well. I would definitely weigh any trailer I bought in advance. I am really not someone who takes these things lightly. No pun intended. I am considering a Scamp someone has listed on this forum, and I have asked him to get me the tongue weight before we talk further. He is doing that. We know his base weight and the weight of the options he added, which were few, and total weight seems to be ok, but I would certainly check.

Paul, that's quite a rig! Nice double kayak. That's on my wish list. But we already have 2 single sea kayaks, a whitewater kayak, two single whitewater canoes, and a double whitewater canoe, and only a one bay garage. I really would consider a teardrop or shorty trailer if I could get enough room for a portalet and seating area. The seating area may be negotiable. The portalet is not. :-) I also have a back and neck injury, which has affected my desire to sleep low to the ground. A raised bed is so much more comfortable to get in and out of. And I understand about the kayak being difficult. Is your wife still able to kayak at all? Such a shame if not. Nothing like being out on the water. I have had to give up lots of activities and make lots of accommodations. Getting older isn't always so fun!
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:46 PM   #21
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Just for future reference, there are some length limits for RV's and towed vehicles on the Going-to-the-Sun Highway in Glacier NP. Check those too before you buy anything larger than a 13'er.

BTW: Bears are usually only interested in real people if they are all covered with butter or bacon. But I don't make judgements on anyones lifestyle.....

Common sense will put you in the 99% safe category in any bear country
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Carol, yes, we do keep the roof weight in mind as well. I would definitely weigh any trailer I bought in advance. I am really not someone who takes these things lightly. No pun intended. I am considering a Scamp someone has listed on this forum, and I have asked him to get me the tongue weight before we talk further. He is doing that. We know his base weight and the weight of the options he added, which were few, and total weight seems to be ok, but I would certainly check.

Keep in mind the base weight does not include things such a battery, propane tank, fridge, stove, furnace, awning etc. So unless they are going to pull all those items off and weigh them of you it would be best if he weighed the whole trailer for you. If someone tries to tell you they have a Scamp 13 for sale that weighs less than 1500lbs lightly loaded then you should pay a premium for it as its a very rare trailer
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Old 01-24-2014, 03:42 PM   #23
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Bob, I am a little paranoid about bears. We all have our issues, that is one of mine. I know what to do around bears, as my slightly unreasonable fears have generated lots of research on my part. I have been charged by a mama bear when the group of people I was hiking with crossed paths, accidentally, with her cub. Cub was standing right next to the trail, so when we came hiking along and the cub saw us and ran away bawling, mama had to come hightailing to the rescue. It took about a full minute from the time we saw the cub until we crossed paths with mama, so she was unusually far away from her cub, without having treed it. Not a fun experience, although everyone did as they were supposed to (I knew exactly what to do, being paranoid and having researched and all) and it all worked out. But my point is, it may not be a totally rational fear, but it is not totally irrational either, and I am self aware enough to know that I am much more comfortable in a hard sided trailer with no kitchen smells. Bears have been known to drag people out of their tents at night. It's rare, but it has happened. It might have been the scent of food that caused it, but when they tell you you can't sleep with deodorant on or toothpaste smell in your mouth without attracting bears, that about does it for me. I can rough it in many other ways (portalet instead of full bath, shower at campgrounds or jump in the lake, cook simple food over a fire instead of in an indoor kitchen), but I need that peace of mind to enjoy myself, especially in grizz country. Now, would a hard sided trailer stop some hypothetical, maniacal, determined grizz? No, but it should slow them down long enough for me to grab the bear spray or make my escape. :-)

Carol, he actually did add the advertised weight of all of the extra items to the base weight for me, and he only has a few extras, and it came in at a little over 1200#, which still gives 200+# leeway. But I will actually weigh it, no worries there. It seems to be hard to convince people I take this weight thing seriously, and that I will travel with nothing more than a comforter and pillows in there. :-) But I really do mean it. I do research and analysis for a living, and I am not a rule breaker.

I really wish the Aliner didn't have such problems with leaking, because it would be ideal. But it does, as does the Chalet, it's main competition. Nothing is perfect, it seems.
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Carol, he actually did add the advertised weight of all of the extra items to the base weight for me, and he only has a few extras, and it came in at a little over 1200#, which still gives 200+# leeway. But I will actually weigh it, no worries there. It seems to be hard to convince people I take this weight thing seriously, and that I will travel with nothing more than a comforter and pillows in there. :-) But I really do mean it. I do research and analysis for a living, and I am not a rule breaker.

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Sorry if you think I don't take your concern for the weight seriously. My comments were made based on past history here where a lot of people new to trailers don't really understand what the base weight includes and doesn't include. More often than not they are little surprised when they find out something they though weighed 1200lbs actually weighs 600lbs or more over that. Its nice to see that someone such as yourself has taken the time to do some pre research on the topic - its not all that common
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I wasn't aware of leakage problems with the Aliner. We camp occasionally with an older couple that has one. They love it and never mentioned any leak issue. I have 3 bad disks in my back, and still kayak and sleep fine in our 4' wide teardrop with Mary. With both the teardrop and Uhaul we use our screen room which has flaps to close it in, for sitting, and eating, but cook outside.Our Honda roof rack has a weight limit that I'm probably real close to with the two kayaks on it. Actually had both of them come off while driving on I90, but that was my fault because of the rack I was using. EDIT; our teardrop weighs 650lb. Over on the tnttt site it's not unusual to see a comment on a home built teardrop "it weighs more than I thought it would"
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Try watching the national news or the News web feed for KABC-7 Los Angeles tonight.

In Pasadena, a couple visiting from Scotland, walked out of their house, locked the door and didn't even see the bear sitting beside the door watching them, until it followed them out to the car. It was caught on security camera.

We get bears in residential areas almost every day. Because it's so dry this year, they wander down from the mountains looking for food.

Everything in life is a risk, I refuse to live in fear.... But I missed out on dying young about 40 years ago
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It's ok Carol, I know you are just trying to make sure people are informed. I appreciate that.

Yeah Bob, it's unfortunate, but if you google Aliner and leak you will see. And Aliner quality control and customer service gets a bad rap, too. There are some very happy owners out there, but it seems they either own older models, or brand new ones that they have taken 1-2 trips with. Those in the 3-10 year range seem more unhappy. Same goes for Chalet, and lots of roof delamination on 1-2 year old models with that one.


I have a Yakima rack, which takes more load than the Honda rack. I am close with the two kayaks up there. But I have never even had the slightest sign of trouble. And we are very careful about tiedown technique.
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Yeah, a badly behaved teenage bear squeezed out of the good territory and hungry, I bet. Poor tourists. Quite a story they'll have to tell.
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