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Old 04-08-2014, 11:49 AM   #85
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I had a RAV4 with tow pkg. no prewiring included.
Seriously not even the 4 plug hidden in the rear area that the harness plugs into ? What year was that?
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Old 04-08-2014, 12:18 PM   #86
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The dealership says that the 4 plug is there at the rear of the car, based on looking up the vin #. I am pretty sure they are wrong. I have read that on the older Rav at least, the wiring needs to go all the way to the dash and plug in there. Plus the Uhaul guy was the only one to have actually looked, versus talked on the phone, and he says it isn't there. I guess I will find out when the trailer place takes a look at it. I never thought it would be this confusing!
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Old 04-08-2014, 12:34 PM   #87
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The trailer guy is using this part, the installation is described by etrailer:
Trailer Wiring Harness Installation - 2008 Toyota RAV4 Video | etrailer.com

So basically, they tap into the brake light, then connect to the battery, then the engine, then a fuse box, then to a 4 pole plug that is located in the front driver side. Or something to that effect. :-). This is way more than I ever wanted to know about hitch wiring!
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The trailer guy is using this part, the installation is described by etrailer:
Trailer Wiring Harness Installation - 2008 Toyota RAV4 Video | etrailer.com

So basically, they tap into the brake light, then connect to the battery, then the engine, then a fuse box, then to a 4 pole plug that is located in the front driver side. Or something to that effect. :-). This is way more than I ever wanted to know about hitch wiring!
Actually in the video it looks to me like what they guy is doing is fishing out the prewired 4 pin harness from behind the tailer light that I mentioned is common on most newer prewired vehicles. That is what the Trailer wiring harness from E- trailer simple plugs into & then he is running it to the underside of the trailer for mounting by the hitch. Put as mentioned that is only good for the trailer lights.

There are as also mentioned two wires that need to run from the rear plug up to the engine area & your charge line and your brake line. The brake line is also the one they will have to pull back through the firewall into the drivers side area and add a plug to it for our brake controller. And yes they will also fuse your charge line as well.
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:20 PM   #89
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Looks like I'm late to the party, but what the heck!

I know Vicki's only talkin' about towing a Scamp 13-er, but since it looks like there's a lot of other cargo going in/on evidently now including rear-mounted bike rack:

It's worth pointing out that the "3500 pound towing capacity" attributed to this (2008 6-cyl) Rav-4 generation is based on the installation of certain upfits, including but not limited to Toyota's OEM hitch. Which hitch differs greatly from any aftermarket hitch install since it attaches to the car at many more predesignated points, and includes reinforcing members critical to support of the weight. See first illustration below, taken from this instructional install page.


For comparison purposes, the second pic is of the Curt "3500 pound" hitch likely being installed by the trailer place....four points of attachment only, no reinforcement plates provided.

For those who want to understand the critical differences between the two hitches-not to mention other required tow package upfits- and how they affect real towing capacity, I strongly recommend a careful reading of the discussion between Rav-4 towing folks at this link.
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I agree with Francesca that using a factory hitch is the best option as they are designed to be attached in holes that the car manufacture has already reinforced for that purpose. Many of the hitches that places such as U Haul uses as well as many of the specialty hitch shops although designed to fit the car they are also somewhat generic in design and are made to fit a number of different cars so in some cases require the installer to drill different holes that are not so well reinforced.

Although the information in the link provided is good I would be reluctant to go by it unless looking at a 2006 -08 RAV4 as its things may well have changed over the last 6 years in regards to what the manufacture may or may not be providing with a tow package or otherwise.
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The discussion isn't relevant if you require a Class III hitch receiver and the OEM is only Class II.
I would think that respected after-market hitch suppliers, like Reece, put at least as much, if not more, thought and design into their products, as Toyota does. They don't need class-action suits either.
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I would think that respected after-market hitch suppliers, like Reece, put at least as much, if not more, thought and design into their products, as Toyota does. They don't need class-action suits either.
Aftermarket hitchmakers guarantee only the part they make- certainly the hitch itself is capable of the named capacity.

That is not the same thing as certifying that whatever vehicle it's installed on should/can tow that load. As every hitchmaker will tell the customer: consult your vehicle owner's manual for actual towing capacities.



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Although the information in the link provided is good I would be reluctant to go by it unless looking at a 2006 -08 RAV4 as its things may well have changed over the last 6 years in regards to what the manufacture may or may not be providing with a tow package or otherwise.
Before posting the above, I did first verify the year of Vicki's Rav 4- given as a 2008 6-cyl in post number 11 at this link.

It would be interesting to know, however, if it's a third-row seat model or not. That's something else that affects payload, GCWR, and especially tongue weight capacity, according to the owner's manual for that year/model.
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Before posting the above, I did first verify the year of Vicki's Rav 4- given as a 2008 6-cyl in post number 11 at this link.
Did see that but as others with RAV4's of different years have chimed in I thought it worth noting the fact the post was a bit dated.
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Wow, thanks everyone!
Yes, I do have a 2008, and it does not have a third row.
Just spoke to trailer guy. I should say up front that the dealership service department referred me to him, and kept saying "why don't you just go to -----? That's where we send most of our cars anyway." Trailer guy says the curt hitch was designed by the same engineers Toyota uses, and is specific to the vehicle. It's what he installs on Rav4's that the dealership sends him. The dealership seemed unwilling/unable to even deal with me. I am now completely confused. I will call a different dealership and see what they say. And is it true the Totota hitch is class II only? Why is this so hard?!
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Just called another dealer, well known and reputable. He also referred me to the same trailer guy. He said there would be no difference in the tow rating and that trailer guy is where they send all their customers. He said the aftermarket hitches are specific to the car and designed for the car. Factory hitch was $584 not including installation. He recommended against it.

Still not sure what I will do. But really, the dealers don't even want to sell me th OEM hitch.
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Also, we are talking about a Scamp 13, standard with no bath and no ac. And we pack light as far as actual camping stuff. I will be nowhere near 350 tongue 3500 total pounds of weight on the hitch -- more like 225/2000 max. I know the bikes and yaks will increase overall payload and will account for that. If I get a bigger trailer down the road i can always upgrade the hitch. Right now, an extra $400 on the hitch seems excessive.
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Do you know the model # of the Curt the trailer shop is talking about installing?

I ask because the Curt I posted is the "class II only". Curt does make a Class III with the same bolt pattern. Only difference is that you can theoretically use W/D with a class 3- but I think that would be a really bad idea if relying on that four bolt aftermarket hitch attachment to the sheet metal under the Rav. How much leverage do you suppose that metal can take? The Toyota OEM is attached at around twenty points, and is engineered to carry/tow/evenly distribute the stated 3500 pound capacity of the V-6. While Toyota recommends against the use of W/D, there's no outright prohibition...that said, I'd certainly be a lot more comfortable hanging it on a twenty-point-setup than a four point one.

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I disagree with an earlier assessment of Toyota engineers as "not knowing what they're doing", especially since that would have to apply to all the rest of the design of the vehicle-? Why would anyone buy one at all if that were true?

I highly recommend AGAIN that folks interested in this question spend some time in the Rav 4 forums I linked to earlier- we here know a lot about trailers, but they're the experts when it comes to this tow vehicle.
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What I've read on the RAV4 forums contains some useful information, but basically is a collection of opinions based on experience, or just plain opinion, just like here.
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