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Old 06-28-2014, 01:49 AM   #15
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We towed Homelet with our 2000 Subaru 5spd. It had a tow rating of 2000# and Homelet weighs 1840# loaded.
We now tow Homelet with our 2014 Subaru CVT. It has a tow rating of 2700#.
Your tow rating should be listed in your auto Owner's Manual.
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Old 06-28-2014, 06:51 AM   #16
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Aaron, if you decide your vehicle isn't up to the task after listening to all this advice, look carefully before you replace it. As you can see, our Scamp is still on order. One more month. We plan to tow our 13 Standard with our 2011 Subaru Forester. The owners manual says the towing limit is 2,400 lbs with a tongue weight limit of 200 lbs. We picked options with that in mind. We'll load it accordingly.

As you know, Subaru makes substantial changes to each line every few years. The newest version of the Forester will only handle 1,500 lbs. I was sad to see that. It would seem like they went backwards. Not sure why? Maybe a smaller engine in the quest for better fuel mileage? I hope our Forester lasts a long time, but if it has to be replaced, I'd switch to the Outback. I do understand the loyalty to the brand. The Subaru AWD is outstanding! None better in the snow IMHO. Subie drivers have been known to wave at stuck snow plows in these parts, hehe.

Good luck in your search for knowledge. The towing limit topic evokes strong reaction in this forum. You'll see what I mean if you do a search. Convictions are strongly held. They are based on printed matter, and years of experience. Study it and make your own decisions. Personally, I would tend to err on the safe side. If not just for me, but the other drivers around you. Nobody wants to be collateral damage in the natural selection process.

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Old 06-28-2014, 08:32 AM   #17
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Well said Tom....
To add a bit:

The big hit on towing with a Subaru's is it's tongue weight limit. I, for one, would not suggest towing a 2800 lbs trailer with 200 or less lbs on the tongue.

A friend of my ex-wife in WA bought a new Subaru only to find that it has a 1000 lb limit.... as they said in the song, "How low can you go?"
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Old 06-30-2014, 11:58 AM   #18
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Hi,
We LOVE our Subaru and we LOVE our Scamp and we LOVE towing the Scamp with the Subaru.
Your rig looks great Gilda and knowing how well cars can be as TV's I believe you when you say it tows so well. Thnxs for posting the pic. I added it to my scrapbook.
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Old 06-30-2014, 12:14 PM   #19
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A friend of my ex-wife in WA bought a new Subaru only to find that it has a 1000 lb limit.... as they said in the song, "How low can you go?"
Without knowing which Subaru was purchased or what year I will comment that a 1000lb limit is pretty well the standard tow rating on most Subaru Foresters and Outbacks for many years, if the trailer has no brakes. If the trailer has brakes the rating is as with many tow vehicles often higher.
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Old 06-30-2014, 01:45 PM   #20
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I believe you're correct Carol. I know that when we bought our 2011 Forester; the tow limits were indeed 200 lbs tongue weight and 2,400 lbs total weight. In 2011 the Outback was limited to 2,700 or 3,000 depending on engine choice. With no trailer brakes, the total weight was restricted to 1,000 lbs. for either model. The new 2014 Forester is now limited to 1,500 lbs total. and the Outback is still rated to pull 2,700 lbs or 3,000 lbs based on engine size.

I am fairly certain our 2011 Forester should be up to the task for our Scamp 13 Std. with front couch. We did opt for A/C and awning at the last minute due to our daughter and SIL moving to FL, but those options are more or less centered over the axle and shouldn't contribute to the tongue weight too much. We DID get the brakes. We're light packers and much of our camping equipment was purchased with weight in mind. I'm hoping our Real World Trailer Weight will be under 2,000. I will be sure to weigh in on this once we get some first hand experience.


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Old 06-30-2014, 02:10 PM   #21
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Tom, Certainly weigh your new Scamp 13. We weigh our 16 virtually every year and the tongue more often. Fully loaded for our extended trips we weigh in at 2600 lbs, that includes our tongue weight.

Our son pulls a Scamp 13 and is delighted with it. His is a 1977 (no typo). They do last and that had separated fiberglass trailers from the rest.

Electric brakes were a smart choice, they would be my first option choice.

Wishing you many safe travels.

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Old 06-30-2014, 02:24 PM   #22
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I am fairly certain our 2011 Forester should be up to the task for our Scamp 13 Std. with front couch.


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Tom I am pretty sure it is also! ;-)

You would have to work pretty hard at filling up a Scamp 13 to get it up over 2000lbs.
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:46 PM   #23
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I believe the single most valuable thread for me in this entire forum was Fredericks "Trailer Weights in the Real World" when it came to picking out a trailer and tow vehicle combination. It was a real eye opener to say the least. If it weren't for this forum and all the generous people that subscribe and contribute, all the consumers would have to go on would be the wildly optimistic brochures and websites of some manufacturers.

They are trying to put their products in the best possible light after all. I'll stop short of saying they lie, but they do mislead. One term I wish they would drop is "Dry Weight". That sounds to me and others I'm sure, as the trailer without water in the tanks and maybe empty propane bottles. After getting my degree from the FGRV forum, I realize they must mean taking out everything that is removable, i.e.. hatch covers, cushions, battery, propane bottle, etc. The term "Stripped Weight" might be more accurate.

Carol, if I remember correctly, you tow, or used to tow with an Outback? If something happens to our Forester, that will be our next vehicle. I can't say enough about the brand. BTW, our Forester is sage green. We call it our "Sage Coach".

Norm, I know this is the wrong thread, but wanted you to know a good friend is a big fan of the Honda Oddesy (sp?) He's on his second and never had any problems with them. I had a Civic and Accord in the early 80's and found them to be very reliable. But then you already know that, eh?

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Old 06-30-2014, 04:03 PM   #24
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Tom,

As important as weigh is when hill climbing, it represents a small part of towing driving while frontal area and trailer shape are always there and generally represent the more significant load.

Interestingly when weight comes into play on hills, the effect of frontal area becomes less important because for many of us we're going slower.

Things like roof top air conditioners and awnings add to the 'effective' frontal area.

There is much that we all can do, particularly when towing with a smaller tow vehicle to make them more effective tow vehicles.

As to the Odyssey, from what I read it has traditional Honda reliability. There are some things I would wish for that are not there but certainly we'll have plenty of volume. This year we saw 3 couples traveling in Notre Dame Provincial Park in Mini-vans, Ginny says we could definitely sleep in the Odyssey.

Safe travels and I'm sure your Subaru will work well.
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Old 06-30-2014, 04:59 PM   #25
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I understand Norm. The elimination of drag is important. It is probably the biggest factor in reducing MPG and performance when towing at speed. I was an aircraft mechanic for approximately 25 years and many of the same skills will be used for this new pastime. I find it interesting that the 18 wheelers are now going to new lengths to reduce drag now that fuel is so expensive. You see more and more trailers with fairings front and rear.

When we ordered the Scamp, I didn't like the look or extra drag of the roof top A/C or awning. With more Florida time now looming in our future; we decided it might come in handy and went with it. Everything in life is a tradeoff.

As an aside, I remember towing our sailboat all over the midwest with our little S15 GMC Jimmy. I don't remember the total weight, but the keel was filled with concrete and weighed 1,200 lbs alone. The dealer helped me hook up to my bumper hitch, and told me "You may want to get a frame hitch sometime down the road." I did when I noticed the bumper started to sag! I don't think trailer brakes were an option. Never wore a bicycle helmet back then either. Sometimes I'm surprised I'm still alive. Ignorance was bliss. Now we have the internet.

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Carol, if I remember correctly, you tow, or used to tow with an Outback? If something happens to our Forester, that will be our next vehicle. I can't say enough about the brand. BTW, our Forester is sage green. We call it our "Sage Coach".

Yes I did tow with an an 07 Outback for almost 6 years. Have actually owned 4 Subaru's over the years so yup I love them. They are outstanding cars for driving in the snow which I do frequently to the Rookies to attend ski races. Wish my 4x4 truck was half as good.

Was very happy with the Outbacks ability to solidly tow in all kinds of weather & think anyone with a 13' trailer would be happy towing with an Outback. The gas milage performance when towing compared to my truck didn't hurt either
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Me thinks that the critical point about weight vs frontal area is being missed.

Weight, especially being overweight, is most critical, in somewhat priority order:

1. In emergency handling/braking situations, especially in the rain/snow/high winds.

2. When braking on long downgrades.

3. When considering stress on vehicle components, and last;

4. Effects on economy.

And, at 55 mph, (the towing speed limit in the Golden State) aerodynamics aren't yet that big a deal. At 65 it begins to show, at 75 it's the 800 lb Gorilla in the room. If there is any question about that, compare MPHs at those three speeds. In fact, on newer vehicles with MPG readouts, you can see up to a 50% increase in fuel consumption at 75 vs. 55
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We just pulled our 13 with a '98 outback 8300 miles.

We did the rockies, sierras, yosemite, and the pacific coast. The long steep grades were, ah, difficult. I had to pull them slower than the drivers behind wanted to go…The other side of the hill was easier because the subaru's brakes are so good. I have rarely had to stop really hard and fast, but it has happened.
I did replace the radiator during the trip, and that helped a lot. I think the cooling system is marginal, and wish there were a heavier duty radiator available. There was a balance between going too fast up hill and so slow that there was not enough air forced through the radiator. The cool mornings were best for driving in the mountains, we started early and stopped early. We took this rig into several "interesting" campsites, and even went off road near Moab. We used the AC on the downhills, mainly.
We love our Scamp, we love our Subaru, and we love them together.
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